Hanoi5 Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 You play 12-20 1-level openings, 21-23 2NT and FG 2♣, how do you deal with this, second seat, red vs white, teams: ♠KJxx♥AKQ♦A♣ATxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Since to play 2C as GF and 1 of suit as "up to 20" you must have an opening bid to deal with Acol 2 types you could try opening that! :) It seems to me that your definitions are wrong. 1 of a suit must be 12 to "just less than GF" and thus 1C stands out. If you really want to keep your 1 of suit openings limited to 20 then you should probably consider incorporating a reverse Benji style 2D opening. It is probably better to just go with the mainstream though and change your definitions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 You don't mention any restrictions on your 2NT opening, does that mean you open any hand with 21-23HCP with 2NT? In that case, you have your (poor) systemic 2NT opening, wtp? If 2NT is only (semi)balanced, I'd open 1♣ planning to reverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 2NT for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 I normally open any 21+ hand 2♣ (or equivalent) but here a 1♣ opener gives you an easy rebid, so I'll try that instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 A semi-GF 2♣ (or 2♦) opening won't solve the problem since you don't have a rebid after having opened at the 2-level with this hand. Maybe a Roman 2♦ opening could be generalized to cover hands like this one. Otherwise you are stuck with 1♣ or 2NT. I usually open 2NT. But with 44(05), 1m can be just short of gf. And sometimes I will open at the 1-level with gf hands. Opening all gf hands at the 2-level probably requires you to put some of the gf hands into the 2♦ opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 You play 12-20 1-level openings, 21-23 2NT and FG 2♣, how do you deal with this, second seat, red vs white, teams: ♠KJxx♥AKQ♦A♣ATxxx 2nt scattered hcp. I dont want to open 1c and have to jump shift into spades and a 1s rebid is NOT forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 With 13 of the 21 HCP in the red suits, opening 1-club and JS to 2S doesn't feel very good, but opening 2NT doesn't feel that great either. Will go for the size and shape thing, and try 1C then 2S. Maybe CHO won't respond a red suit. Even though a 1S rebid is forcing for me unless pard has scraped up a 4-5 count response, I won't try it this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 1♣. This hand is not as good as it's HCP would indicate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 1♣, planning to jump shift in spades next, and then bid hearts. If we get dropped in 1♣, we're very unlikely to have a game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 1♣. Also plan to rebid only 1♠, if pard responds 1♦. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apjames Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 1♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 For me it's definitely a 1♣ opening but I wouldn't define one of a suit as 12-20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 still strongly prefer 2nt the arguments for 1c are not strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 :P 2NT for me, but there is nothing really wrong with 1♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 You play 12-20 1-level openings, 21-23 2NT and FG 2♣, how do you deal with this, second seat, red vs white, teams:♠ KJxx ♥ AKQ ♦ A ♣ ATxxx 2N = 10, _P = 9. (Playing 2/1 you probably open 1♣. Given Hanoi's understandings, however, you open a systemic 2N). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 1C absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 1♣ for me too. I don't hate 2nt but prefer a ♣ suit that looks more like tricks for it, ie a ♥ card or 2 in it. If pard has ♦ the communication stinks and if the opps have ♦ so does notrump. As for playing there I've never had that happen with a singleton in a higher ranking suit than my bid and will ignore that until it happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 1♣ 100%. Planning to rebid GF 2♠ over 1♥ or 1♦. I always respond with a sensible 5 count, occasionaly with exceptional 4, so we will not be missing game very often. And if p has a response we are much better placed than when he opens 2NT. I dont have problems opening NT off shape, but I do not see the gain in this situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxhong Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 This system is quite inconsistent. There is no bid for 21-24 unbalanced hands if you assume 25 to force to game. You play 12-20 1-level openings, 21-23 2NT and FG 2♣, how do you deal with this, second seat, red vs white, teams: ♠KJxx♥AKQ♦A♣ATxxx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Free Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 2N = 10, _P = 9. (Playing 2/1 you probably open 1♣. Given Hanoi's understandings, however, you open a systemic 2N).Pass with 21HCP = 9 ??? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 2nt scattered hcp. I dont want to open 1c and have to jump shift into spades and a 1s rebid is NOT forcing. Not forcing for YOU, Mike. It is certainly forcing for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 You play 12-20 1-level openings, 21-23 2NT and FG 2♣...If this is what you play, you should stop saying that you play SAYC (indicated in the subheading of this thread). You play some customized version of Standard American, but not SAYC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 2N = 10, _P = 9. (Playing 2/1 you probably open 1♣. Given Hanoi's understandings, however, you open a systemic 2N). Pass=9? Can I have some of what you're smoking? ps. I open 1♣ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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