I thought i had seen it all

[pirate22]

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Opps totally innocent-needless to say a real disaster-i was south and decided to open 1 diamond-and redid 2spades.

as the bidding continued and had heard my partners bids of hearts and clubs,time to call it a day and signed off

with 3 n/t................... now i am getting confused when partner continues.

 

when the dust had settled 5diams well off 5/2 break :):) I remained quiet,and my partner had a red connection,

and a sub came in--later i considered my partners bidding-we do not play WJS i think the bidding should

proceed-p-- 1dia--p--2hts

p 2sp --p 3cl

p 3n/t p--4n/t

p 5hts{2aces}-- now pard should bid 6 hts/7 hts-or 6 cl.but prefer 6hts..

 

Agree this is a hand from Ghoulash today-and unusual that opps did not chip in,

and not being wise after the event..2 things stand out 1..to open 1 spade,takes up to much bidding space

hence the 1 diamond opener.....2 partner when he hears 1diamond opener.... and with a void in the suit,

should be very wary.plus in this case two voids..... i rest my case. whoom is mostly to blame ...

[manudude03]

Well, I can tell you for starters your recommended auction is absurd (3NT is in another world, and 3C for a lot of people is not natural anyway, and then even if 4NT is blackwood, it's pointless unless you can and do follow up with some search for the ♣K). As for the actual auction, I would just rebid 1S in a goulash. Continuing on, I'd bid 3S over 3C. If partner bids clubs again, I bid 4H and the auction may stop or arrive in 6H depending on feeling. If North decides to investigate, then 4NT-5H-5NT-6H-Pass

[Cyberyeti]

We'd bid 1♦-1♥-2♠ but for us it shows a 6-5, 2 decent suits but not a great hand.

 

It would continue 3♣-3♦-3♥-4♥-5♣-5♦-5♠(will be shortage here as skipped spade cue over 4♥)- 5N(A♠)- 6♣(bid grand with a club honour)-6♥.

 

This is the normal bridge auction, not sure whether I'd bid this confidently given the dealing method.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Is a 1♠ rebid by Opener not forcing ?

[Cyberyeti]

Is a 1♠ rebid by Opener not forcing ?

We play 1♠ forcing, but 1♦-1♥-1♠-1N-2♠ shows a better hand than the immediate 2♠ rebid which isn't forcing by our methods (although is rarely passed).

[aguahombre]

At some point when North is through trying for any science and/or torturing South, he could just blast out 6H (when North leaps to slam he is not interested in South's pointed controls). I don't think North's 5C was forcing, so should do it then, instead.

[pirate22]

interesting replies---pards heart suit is self supporting opp a possible void.

however-i think to bid clubs again is somewhat wrong.it is putting the screws on partner

[rduran1216]

1D 1H

1S 6C

6H all pass

[Yu18772]

The old "What do you call an eight card suit?" saying comes to mind (and yes there are 7 of them, but still...).

[Zelandakh]

This is the second Blackwood with 2 voids thread from pirate22. The last time the suggested auction was ridiculous; this time it is, as earlier suggested, quite absurd.

[whereagles]

4♦ is an error. You don't look for a fit this high. Just bid 4NT, which should be TO PLAY.

[the hog]

Who on earth was Sth? This bidding is surreal firstly as 2S shows a far better hand, secondly that 3NT is really bad.

If you don't like opening 1S, at least bid 1S over 1H and then repeat spades.

North is little better - 3C is not natural for most pairs. Finally North should bid 6H at some stage, probably over the ill advised 4D. Seriously I think both Sth and Nth need a book on elementary bidding.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

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Where's gnasher when I need him ?

 

1D - 1H

2S! = GGG ( Gnasher's [ artificial ] Gameforce Gadget )

 

Andy, how would this auction continue ?

[MrAce]

Looking at the title of this topic, and then looking at your 2♠ bid, i think you are a very optimistic person.

[gnasher]

Where's gnasher when I need him ?

 

1D - 1H

2S! = GGG ( Gnasher's [ artificial ] Gameforce Gadget )

 

Andy, how would this auction continue ?

I didn't invent the idea of playing 1♦-1♥;2♠ as artificial - the idea has been around since the 1980s or earlier.

 

Playing an otherwise standard system, I'd suggest using 1♦-1♥;2♠ as a 3-6, a game-forcing one-suiter, or a game-forcing raise. Responder normally relays with 2NT, and then something like:

3

♣

(other minor) = game-forcing one-suiter

3

♦

(opened minor) = invitational 3-6

3

♥

(responded major) = game-forcing raise

3

♠

(other major) = game-forcing 3-6

or you could use the space more efficiently but more artificially - that might allow you to find out about singletons below 3NT.

 

If you play 2♠ as artificial, a corollary is that 1♦-1♥;1♠ as forcing. On these two hands that does provide a bit more space:

1

♦

-1

♥

1

♠

-2

♣

(FSF)

2

♠

-3

♥

4

♣

       (agrees hearts, says nothing about control)

If responder now cue-bids his voids and then makes a grand-slam try, opener will accept thinking that he's facing at least one pointed-suit king. Instead maybe responder should try exclusion in diamonds:

      -5

♦

5

♠

-5NT (specific kings)

6

♥

-pass