Suggest an auction, please: A multi-parter.

[Flem72]

West deals, N-S vul

 

North:

 

x

JTxxx

AKx

QTxx

 

South:

 

AKJT9x

void

QTxx

AJx

 

it starts:

 

P-P-P-1S

2H-P-P-?

 

I know there are a gazillion possibilities from here, but you gotta start at the beginning. I trust that permutations will manifest.

 

Regards and Happy Trails,

 

Scott Needham

Boulder, Colorado, USA

[rhm]

I would not reopen with a double on the South hand. I would simply rebid 2♠.

 

North will probably bid 2NT and South will now have a difficult choice.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[phil_20686]

I think a dble is ok. You have quite a lot of defense to make up for having a void. Is this hand worse defensively than KQxxx x KQxx Kxx which everyone would reopend with a dble?

 

It just feels so likely that partner has a pen pass and that 2Hx is your best spot. Although I suppose you are vul vs not. Tough one. I mean, you dont need a lot to make 4S. OTOH if partner has those cards plus a KJ9x hearts then it feels like 500 is pretty likely anyway. And there is no guarantee you are reaching 4S opposite perfect cards as partner will be sure to consider his hearts wasted opposite a likely void if you do not dble.

[Phil]

I'd double. Partner isn't always trapping when I have a void, and I'd like to get the nature of my hand across.

[aguahombre]

I'd double. Partner isn't always trapping when I have a void, and I'd like to get the nature of my hand across.

Maybe. But I sympathize with those who might think the 6th spade, the interior strength of the spade suit, the void in hearts, and the vulnerability are too many things which don't get the nature of this hand across via double. Wish North's hand had not been posted this early.

[xxhong]

Perhaps something like:

1S 2H p p

2S p 2N p

3H(transfer to 3S, either sign off or game choices) 3S

3N(showing strong S suit and 3NT is an option) now either pass or 4S are close for north I guess.

 

West deals, N-S vul

 

North:

 

x

JTxxx

AKx

QTxx

 

South:

 

AKJT9x

void

QTxx

AJx

 

it starts:

 

P-P-P-1S

2H-P-P-?

 

I know there are a gazillion possibilities from here, but you gotta start at the beginning. I trust that permutations will manifest.

 

Regards and Happy Trails,

 

Scott Needham

Boulder, Colorado, USA

[gnasher]

2♠ seems an understatement with the South hand. We'd bid that with AKJ10xx - Qxxx xxx. I think a reasonable auction is:

 

1♠ 2♥ pass pass

3♠ pass 4♦ pass

4♥ pass 4♠ pass

pass pass

 

though either player might have taken stronger action on the last round.

[JLOGIC]

Yeah I would reopen 3S, good problem though.

[Cyberyeti]

Don't have this problem, opened 1♥ with the N hand, but would simply bid 2♠ and the auction would probably proceed 2N-3N.

[aguahombre]

Don't have this problem, opened 1♥ with the N hand.

I have no problem opening some 10's with 1M, but not this one, unless maybe within a strong club context.

[Cyberyeti]

I have no problem opening some 10's with 1M, but not this one, unless maybe within a strong club context.

To me with the 2 10s in the long suits, a J10 and an AK, and no wastage in the singleton, this is 11 not 10. We tend to open pretty much rule of 19 in an Acol context unless there's a reason not to, so this comfortably qualifies.

[Echognome]

I'm curious what people think about North bidding 2NT rather than passing 2♥? South should have a reasonably sound opener in 4th? Given the vulnerability should we try for the penalty or to get to our best game?

[vianu2]

I don't understand 3SP , S opened in 4th. Should not open bad -weak hands.

But then someone opens (4th) "1"sp with AKJ10xx - Qxxx xxx ...matter of style.

But S should not force his partner with 3Sp (partner passed 2 times btw....)

 

I don't understand why N passed the second time too.

He meant to penalize 2h? being vulnerable?

So if partner has enough to reopen with X, he will be comfortable on 2h X?

Did he pass just to play 2h not double, in case partner opened weak 4th?

LOL

Nevertheless , someone did a right thing here : decided to open 1H :) Congrat

Edit: two right things at that moment (see the previous post))))

[aguahombre]

I'm curious what people think about North bidding 2NT rather than passing 2♥? South should have a reasonably sound opener in 4th? Given the vulnerability should we try for the penalty or to get to our best game?

I know you asked what "people" think, but I will try, anyway. I don't think 2NT sucks, unless it means something else. But apparently North was planning to sit for a reopening double with his pass, and this doesn't suck either. I really don't like anything with the North hand, but the penalty pass seems ok

[the hog]

I would double with the Sth hand. Bidding 2S is very poor because it does not show the nature of the hand, and it suggests a 6th Spade. As Phil posted above, I would much rather get the nature of my hand across.

[aguahombre]

I would double with the Sth hand. Bidding 2S is very poor because it does not show the nature of the hand, and it suggests a 6th Spade. As Phil posted above, I would much rather get the nature of my hand across.

And what hand were you looking at? It does have a sixth spade. But, you are right that 2S doesn't quite do it. 3S seems better.

[Cyberyeti]

And what hand were you looking at? It does have a sixth spade. But, you are right that 2S doesn't quite do it. 3S seems better.

2♠ is plenty, opps haven't raised hearts, partner/overcaller haven't weak 2d, so very likely partner has 5, how many tricks do you think you can make opposite ♥AQxxx and out for example ?

 

The chance of making game is also reduced if you'd open this sort of N hand but not eliminated (I know ♦KJ and a black Q is enough).

 

I'm curious what people think about North bidding 2NT rather than passing 2♥? South should have a reasonably sound opener in 4th? Given the vulnerability should we try for the penalty or to get to our best game?

 

Would be a spade raise for me.

[jdeegan]

:P You can't reopen with a double with a void in ♥. 2 or 3 ♠ is correct depending on the feel of the table - by that I mean the opponents' demeanor. Reading your partner is cheating.

[gnasher]

I don't understand 3SP , S opened in 4th. Should not open bad -weak hands.

But then someone opens (4th) "1"sp with AKJ10xx - Qxxx xxx ...matter of style.

I hadn't noticed that we were in fourth. You're right that 2♠ shows a better hand than I suggested, Still, I don't think it shows all this.

 

But S should not force his partner with 3Sp

3[sP} isn't forcing.

[the hog]

And what hand were you looking at? It does have a sixth spade. But, you are right that 2S doesn't quite do it. 3S seems better.

 

I meant "though it suggests a 6th S". My bad English!

[Flem72]

I wish I knew of a way to change the 'subject' line to indicate the beginning of a Part 2, but in view of the responses I may abandon that idea anyway: Did no one think of 3D as a possible reopening call? I'm interested to hear what are the objections to this action.

 

Regards and Happy Trails,

 

Scott Needham

Boulder, Colorado, USA

[rhm]

I wish I knew of a way to change the 'subject' line to indicate the beginning of a Part 2, but in view of the responses I may abandon that idea anyway: Did no one think of 3D as a possible reopening call? I'm interested to hear what are the objections to this action.

 

Regards and Happy Trails,

 

Scott Needham

Boulder, Colorado, USA

Partner is marked with likely length in ♥, since West did not open weak two in ♥ nor did East raise 2♥. How happy would you be in 3♦, if dummy comes down with 3 cards in ♦ and a singleton ♠?

But a big advantage of 2♠ is that North might introduce a long minor over 2♠, something he would not do over 3♠, which should show a more lopsided hand.

Over such a minor suit bid from partner only the sky could be the limit.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[gszes]

West deals, N-S vul

 

North:

x

JTxxx

AKx

QTxx

 

South:

AKJT9x

void

QTxx

AJx

 

P-P-P-1S

2H-P-P-?

 

why not the following?

 

2s a bid we would make with more offense and far less

defense maybe a hand similar to Kxxxxxx xx AQ A

 

3d has some possibilities but probably buries a club

fit and maybe steers us in wrong direction especially

if p is weak

 

3h makes little sense when long strong suit is major

and we are too weak and need more aces vs quacks

 

3s There is no reason to assume p has power and 3s should

be a hand worth around 8 tricks vul vs not and we are a

long way away from that

 

that leaves X

 

if p bids

 

pass fine we have enough defense.

2n 4s

3c pass

3d pass

3h 4s

3s pass

3n 4s

4c 4h

4d 4h

4s this happens you need a new p

[JLOGIC]

But a big advantage of 2♠ is that North might introduce a long minor over 2♠, something he would not do over 3♠, which should show a more lopsided hand.

Over such a minor suit bid from partner only the sky could be the limit.

 

Rainer Herrmann

 

A big advantage? Lol, this seems like way less than 1 % to happen.

[Flem72]

How happy would you be in 3♦, if dummy comes down with 3 cards in ♦ and a singleton ♠?

 

Not very happy. S/he better apologize for underholding. ()

 

But (this is mps--sorry, didn't specify; and, FYI, I'm not a doubler with this South hand type) even if partner is really bad for this auction, unless opps are Al Roth disciples, s/he's marked with SOMETHING. Like

 

x

JTxxx

Kxx

xxxx, or CK instead, or maybe HQ and CQ.

 

So I get to play 3D undoubled, hoping They don't lead one, or -- much more likely in 2011 -- East will compete to 3H, in which case now either 3S or pass to partner's double (I'd call 3S at these colors). In context, is this sensible? or would this plan flag (a) a certifiable idiot, (b) a normal matchpoint fool or © merely an optimist? 6S is not out of the question with the actual layout; claiming shape AND strength with 3D would seem the best way to get there, especially if East DOES call 3H--now North has a road map, doesn't s/he? OTOH, the real disaster North hand would be

 

x

JTxxx

xx

xxxxx. Next board -- wish I'd emphasized the spades.

 

Regards and Happy Trails,

 

Scott Needham

Boulder, Colorado, USA