MP bidding problem

[rduran1216]

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How do you feel about the auction so far?

 

Would you now raise to 4 anyway?

[JLOGIC]

I would definitely raise. Sorry partner if we go down, I was hoping you had xxxx xxx xxxx xx (or a pointed jack on top of that to make it really good!).

[jmcw]

I don't care for the 3♥ call.

 

I prefer a simple raise of 2♠ to 3♠, doubling twice and raising feels about right with these values.

[Flem72]

I would definitely raise. Sorry partner if we go down, I was hoping you had xxxx xxx xxxx xx (or a pointed jack on top of that to make it really good!).

 

One of my most persistent Bad Bridge Traits is to overbid my really big hands. Wish I didn't.

 

Regards and Happy Trails,

 

Scott Needham

Boulder, Colorado, USA

 

What was the Edgarism? Something to the effect of "If partner does not hold the presumed values, partner does not criticize you for overbidding. Partner apologizes for underholding"?

Edited August 6, 2011 by Flem72

[tolvyrj]

Yes, for two reasons; prd may have some play for 4 ♠ even without any hcp., and secondly because that way i will be in a very good company with the rest of the field minus one or maybe two gamblers so what ever happens my decision wont ruin our competition.

[xxhong]

basically, I don't mind you overbidding and raising 2S to 4S right away. But if you decide to invite to pinpoint partner's weakest hand, this is the occasion to pass 3S. Otherwise, there is just no point to bid 3H with this hand (except for some very unlikely occasions that partner may be able to bid 3NT over 3H and you would pass).

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How do you feel about the auction so far?

 

Would you now raise to 4 anyway?

[aguahombre]

What fun. After bidding strongly and finally finding out about the spade fit, I get to torture her with 3H, then accept my own invite to further piss her off. Of course, when she sees dummy she will cool off a bit.

 

Would have bid 4S/2S, to save the aggravation. She must have 4 spades, since she is not likely to be 3-4-3-3 on the auction and my hand.

[MrAce]

I bid 4♠ now, pd should not have 3♠ unless North-South is joking, or unless he decided to bid 2♠ with 3334 or 3343 very weak hand.

 

I also agree with 3♥ if he is willing to pass 3 NT. xxx Hxx xxx xxxx.

 

I see some replies giving too much value to the 2nd DBL which was made in pass out seat. Perhaps i play this 2nd DBL more agressive especially at MP, than others. Axxx x KQxx AJTx is more than enough for me to make a 2nd DBL in pass out seat. Ain't no way i am letting them play their 8 card fit at 2 level when i hold this. In this context pd's 2♠ can be a little stronger than other posters predict, at least for me.

[Phil]

I would have bid 4♠ - either now or later. Yes, we know partner doesn't have much but a 3 count is more likely than a yarb.

[JLOGIC]

Not to beat a dead horse, but we could easily make game opposite a 0 count. And as Phil says, it's hard to be dealt 0 points! Having 3 is far more likely. Whenever I can make game opposite a normal-right shaped 0 count, I will bid game.

[Yu18772]

If I bid 4♠ and we go down - my fault, if we make 3♠+1 - my partners, generally I hate being the guilty one :)

Seriously - it doesn't seem to be a shapely distribution for anyone, so I would actually expect partner to have a -0 count rather than 2-3hcp......said that, there are plenty of 0 counts that will make 4.

e.g xxxx,xxx,xxxx,xx, so 4♠ I think is reasonable, but I would decide wether to invite or not before the 3♥, and stick by the decision (especially in MP).

[rduran1216]

partner had a 0 count, which to me was clear from the auction, with the added info that our opponents were people who often talk of not being able to open cause they dont have 13HCP. What im curious about is in this particular auction does our partner guarantee 4 spades?

 

Effectively, we know he has nothing, so could he be bidding 2S to keep it at the lowest level possible?

 

Surely we dont wanna be in game opposite xxx xxx xxx xxxx, which is not an unlikely holding. OTOH if partner has xxxx xx xxxxx xx, we'll be ok.

[jonottawa]

If playing whist, pass, else 4♠. And no, I try not to torture partners or draw committees or delay proceedings so I'd have taken a shot at 4♠ over 2♠.

[farrnbach]

in pairs 4S would be destroying partnership trust

 

first X p has said bad had

second X I have a real good hand, pls think -> 2S

3h , a super hand, any working cards drom p are sufficient for 4S

 

Now p says

NO I do not have anything working, I expect p hand xxx xxx(x?) xxx(x?) xxx(x?), perhaps a Q in hearts (wasted)

 

If he would have

xxxx xxxx xx xxx

he would have a working 4th spade, even a doubleton he would never bid 3S

 

even with

xxxx xxx xxx xxx

he hast at least a working 4th spade

 

I trust my p and pass

 

If you bid 4S over 2S, it's a gamble, fine but I had played the ball to my p .....

[MrAce]

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[the hog]

I like the bidding and would certainly bid 4S now. The reason I like 3H is that partner's 3S bid almost certainly confirms possession of a 4 card (maybe 5), S suit. The initial bid could easily have been 3.

[dake50]

Is partner slamming with S:xxxxx H:xxx D:xx C:Kxx or C:KQx?

I think he should be after X+ X+ Q-bid+ raise.

[MrAce]

Is partner slamming with S:xxxxx H:xxx D:xx C:Kxx or C:KQx?

I think he should be after X+ X+ Q-bid+ raise.

 

No, if he didn't bid game with this after x+x+cue, he aint bidding anything, he obviously has lost his trust long time ago if he has this hand :)