Opening bid

[Ant590]

IMPs in a reasonable field.

 

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What's the opening bid / later plan?

[mike777]

1c

 

 

If pard bids 1d or 1nt I will try 3nt.

[gszes]

the benefits of opening 2c with this hand are slim and none

and it is also a tad light for such an action. I would start

 

1c

 

and plan my bidding accordingly

 

if p bids 1d I would bid 3n hoping they will

bid 4n if they have decent ten count balanced.

 

if p bids 1h I would bid 2s (if they then bid 3s I would jump

to 5c and if they bid 4s I would bid 6c)

 

if p bids 1s I would bid 2h doing the same with clubs if p

raises hearts as i did with spades.

 

if p bids 1n I think it safer to bid 5c

 

if p bids 2n I would be in slam range and I would start with

3h (which should show concern for diamonds (and possibly spades)

for nt purposes. If p cannot stop dia we should just bid 6c

and be happy even if 7 makes. If p bids 3n our odds of slam

go down significantly and I think pass is best.

[mike777]

fwiw hate to reverse into 3 card major if I have another option

 

 

Really hate to jumpshift into 2 card major, too far. :)

 

 

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Granted no good options....hopefully opp will overcall or pard will not force me into an ugly 3nt rebid over major.

[wank]

this is a clear 2♣ opener. this is from someone who rarely opens 2♣

[chasetb]

Especially at IMPs, I would open this as a Gambling 3NT even if playing Precision. In 3rd and 4th seats, the weak Gambling 3NT makes no sense, and in fact give the opponents a few extra bids to describe their hands. If partner is broke, I still have a chance of stealing a Vul game (38.5%). With most hands I expect to make this, and if partner has 3 or 4 controls and 9-11 HCP, (s)he should bid 4NT to show further interest.

[rhm]

IMPs in a reasonable field.

 

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What's the opening bid / later plan?

 

1c

 

 

If pard bids 1d or 1nt I will try 3nt.

 

the benefits of opening 2c with this hand are slim and none

and it is also a tad light for such an action. I would start

 

1c

...

Both deserve a dummy similar to ♠Kxx ♥x ♦Qxxxxx ♣xxx

 

But this craziness can apparently be topped:

 

Especially at IMPs, I would open this as a Gambling 3NT even if playing Precision. In 3rd and 4th seats, the weak Gambling 3NT makes no sense, and in fact give the opponents a few extra bids to describe their hands. If partner is broke, I still have a chance of stealing a Vul game (38.5%). With most hands I expect to make this, and if partner has 3 or 4 controls and 9-11 HCP, (s)he should bid 4NT to show further interest.

This guy deserves a dummy like ♠KQJx,♥xxx,♦xxx,♣xxx

 

this is a clear 2♣ opener. this is from someone who rarely opens 2♣

Finally a lone star with some sense for hand evaluation.

I sometimes get the impression that something is seriously wrong calling this department "Advanced and Expert-Class-Bridge".

 

Rainer Herrmann

[shyams]

Both deserve a dummy similar to ♠Kxx ♥x ♦Qxxxxx ♣xxx

I don't profess to be A/E but my partner would routinely respond 1♦ with this hand

[rhm]

I don't profess to be A/E but my partner would routinely respond 1♦ with this hand

Of course and both suggested 3NT over 1♦. Now I guess even your partner would not find another bid over 3NT with 7♣ cold.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[nige1]

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Ant590 asks "IMPs in a reasonable field. What's the opening bid / later plan?"

 

IMO 2♣ = 10, 1♣ = 8

Agree with wank and rhm that 2♣ is best. The traditional test for a two opener is "more honour tricks than losers". If you open 1♣ then you may forgo the chance of implementing a "later plan" :( [/hv]

[Free]

1♣, frequency of 3NT being a better contract than 6♣ or 7♣ is much higher I think. We may have slam opposite unlikely hands where opps keep passing their good Major suits while being short in our suit and we are somehow able to figure out that responder's primairy suit is poor, but I'll just take my chances with 1♣-1♦-3NT.

 

Anyone up for some simulation? Don't forget opps are favorable so they may preempt aggressively in 1st or 3rd seat... ;)

[Cyberyeti]

1♣, frequency of 3NT being a better contract than 6♣ or 7♣ is much higher I think. We may have slam opposite unlikely hands where opps keep passing their good Major suits while being short in our suit and we are somehow able to figure out that responder's primairy suit is poor, but I'll just take my chances with 1♣-1♦-3NT.

 

Anyone up for some simulation? Don't forget opps are favorable so they may preempt aggressively in 1st or 3rd seat... ;)

One danger of 1♣ is that partner has something like xxxx, Kxx, Jxxx, xx and this is plenty for 5♣ although opps will almost certainly rescue you here.

 

Do you have the mechanisms to catch up with just how vast this hand is opposite ♠KQxx and ♣xx ?

 

I would open 1♦ with the minors reversed, but due to a system kink, would open 2♣ with this as I show a GF one suiter with clubs after 1♣-1suit by bidding a GF unbal 2N then a NF 3N which I don't want to do.

[rhm]

1♣, frequency of 3NT being a better contract than 6♣ or 7♣ is much higher I think.

I doubt this.

Assume 6 ♣ does not make. The most likely reason is that partner is weak.

Against 3NT opponents will attack the suit where you have at most one stopper. If ♣ do not run you need 2 stopper in every suit. In this case there will often be 12 tricks in ♣ even with a loser in ♣.

If ♣ run, you have ten solid tricks in your hand. Not likely that you will not have a play for 12 tricks then.

 

But even if your believe that 3NT is a likely good contract (I don't), why does a 2♣ opening stop you from reaching it?

 

We may have slam opposite unlikely hands where opps keep passing their good Major suits while being short in our suit and we are somehow able to figure out that responder's primairy suit is poor, but I'll just take my chances with 1♣-1♦-3NT.

Why is this the most likely scenario for slam missed?

Let partner bid a major. Now what? You can now rebid what you like. Reverse in a non suit or jump around. Nothing will convince partner that you have such a monster.

It will be rather a hit and miss affair by you with little cooperation from partner.

For the record: The Rubens-Kaplan elevator, which is a good one for trump contracts, considers this hand worth 24.5 points.

And if opponents do interfere. What does it help to open 1♣? Partner just needs KQJx in either major and a doubleton ♣ for 7♣ to be excellent.

 

Anyone up for some simulation? Don't forget opps are favorable so they may preempt aggressively in 1st or 3rd seat... ;)

Oh I can simulate if you tell me what restrictions you want to apply to the other hands.

From experience I know whatever I simulate to prove or falsify a claim, those who do not like the result will critic the assumptions made for the simulation, no matter what these assumptions had been.

 

I ran a blank simulation (1000 deals), specifying nothing for the other hands.

 

Result:

 

Average number of tricks in notrump: 9.58

Average number of tricks in ♣: 11.56

 

3NT made on 640 deals

 

7♣ made on 274 deals

6♣ made on 568 deals

5♣ made on 774 deals

 

To simulate the effectiveness of the specific sequence 1♣-1♦-3NT, I specified in a separate simulation for partner to have at least a 5 card ♦ suit and any other suit being shorter than ♦.

Then 3NT makes more often of course: 842 deals

But 7♣ still makes on 236 deals and 6♣ on 497 deals

 

But partner will almost never disturb 3NT even when there are 12 tricks in ♣ or even notrump (268 deals), because he is almost always not strong enough to invite.

 

Rainer Herrmann

[Flem72]

[quote What's the opening bid / later plan?

 

1 K-S C, then, if it's not all pass, 3 K-S C, claiming a one-suited, 9-trick hand. I'm telling you, K-S minor structures r duh bom.

 

Regards and Happy Trails,

 

Scott Needham

Boulder, Colorado, USA

[hrothgar]

You have first round control in every suit and AK eight in clubs

 

I can't conceive of a bid other than 2♣

(Even if you have some high level preempt to show a good suit, good hand this hand has way too many controls to consider it)

[Phil]

I would open 2♣, because unless you play some specialized gadget after 1♣ - 1x, its very hard to catch up. Its virtually impossible the opponents will let us play 1♣, but thats not the point.

 

I need 10 tricks to open 2♣ when I have a minor, and this hand has a great suit and nice controls.

 

By the way, after 2♣, I will not pass 3N.