flytoox Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) This is one my pd and I missed. We play pretty std 2/1. 1S shows 5 cards. Who do you think should be blamed for not biding slam. (Surely credit goes to EW for their action. But honestly I think NS should still find the slam ) Any comments are more than welcome/ TIA.[hv=pc=n&s=sakq32h2da543c432&n=sj54haj3dqckqj765&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1c1h1s3h3sp4dp4hp4sppp]266|200[/hv] Edited August 1, 2011 by flytoox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I don't know, hard to tell when I can't see the hands and bidding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 This is one my pd and I missed. We play pretty std 2/1. 1S shows 5 cards. Who do you think should be blamed for not biding slam. (Surely credit goes to EW for their action. But honestly I think NS should still find the slam ) Any comments are more than welcome/ TIA. Hard to see anything wrong...(Adding the hand might help) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I'd say North. South announced his/her interest in slam and also his/her lack of club control. North should KC I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 This is one my pd and I missed. We play pretty std 2/1. Who do you think should be blamed for not biding slam. Hard to see anything wrong...(Adding the hand might help) Do we really need to see the hand? If you play standard, then surely partner should be blamed, otherwise he is likely to blame you.... :rolleyes: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I agree with Hanoi's analysis, but have sympathy for North anyway. His 3S rebid was under pressure and he might well have expected South to think it was better. Having said that, IMO the knowledge from the auction that partner has but one heart combined with the powerful side source of tricks should prompt Wood, which will uncover the solidity of the trump suit. Hope this isn't a shaggy dog story where the opps can get two tricks right off the bat via club, club rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 The best slam is of course 6♣, bidding that rather than 6♠ which even if an initial ruff isn't found can potentially be beaten by a heart lead and holding up the A♣ so requires clubs 2-2 or stiff ace, is a real challenge. Your auction is quite sensible, depends on your cue bidding style, if 1sts before seconds, it's awkward, if 4♦ denies any sort of club control then 4♥ shows one so S can keycard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I'd say North. South announced his/her interest in slam and also his/her lack of club control. North should KC I suppose. Doesn't cuebidding the heart show a lack of concern about clubs? In particular, if North had xx or xxx of clubs, shouldn't he just sign off? So cannot South conclude that clubs are taken care of and make another try? I'm not saying South's hand is worth another try, I'm just trying to understand the related situation with cuebidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) I don't think we could get to 6 clubs. After finding out about the spade AKQ and diamond Ace, via RKC for spades, If I tried 6C to play, she might think I was looking for the club queen for a grand. That's what she says, anyway. Edited August 1, 2011 by aguahombre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxhong Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 South can bid 5S over 4H as an invitation without any cuebids available. North can then bid 6C to suggest a place to play as it appears. This is one my pd and I missed. We play pretty std 2/1. 1S shows 5 cards. Who do you think should be blamed for not biding slam. (Surely credit goes to EW for their action. But honestly I think NS should still find the slam ) Any comments are more than welcome/ TIA.[hv=pc=n&s=sakq32h2da543c432&n=sj54haj3dqckqj765&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1c1h1s3h3sp4dp4hp4sppp]266|200[/hv] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I think North has done enough and South need to try again after 4♥. As others have noted, cue bidding second round controls works well as North then needs a club control to cue bid 4♥. But I would probably make another move with South regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Agree with nigel_k. North has already stretched a bit. South knows that North has cooperated in a slam try with really bad trumps; he can hardly have no club control too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 TIA.[hv=pc=n&s=sakq32h2da543c432&n=sj54haj3dqckqj765&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1c1h1s3h3sp4dp4hp4sppp]266|200[/hv] ( -- ) - 1C - ( 1H ) - 1S ( 3H )- 3S - ( p ) - 3NT! [ Serious, and/or needs to hear a Cl Ctrl cue ] ( p ) - 4C - ( p ) - 4NT [ RKC ... ending up in 6S ] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianu2 Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 South can bid 5S over 4H as an invitation without any cuebids available. North can then bid 6C to suggest a place to play as it appears.I evaluate N's hand as MUCH better than he said with the 3♠ bid.(for me 1♠ shows always 5 cards)),So if 4♠ would describe his hand, then 4♣ shows a 6 cards suit with 3 cards spade fit, isn't it? It is like 1♣-1♠-4♣ 6 cards with 3 cards support...A 4♣ bid without spade support doesn't exist.So S may agree clubs with 4♦ and 4♥-4♠ are available.Why are we so conservative when bidding offensive hands and most of us agree to open 3rd vulnerable against not a 9hcps count with kqjxx spade :D :D . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I evaluate N's hand as MUCH better than he said with the 3♠ bid.(for me 1♠ shows always 5 cards)),So if 4♠ would describe his hand, then 4♣ shows a 6 cards suit with 3 cards spade fit, isn't it? It is like 1♣-1♠-4♣ 6 cards with 3 cards support... NoI think you are missing the 3♥ bid by west. If not, you are absolutely wrong about the meaning of 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Seems to me that S may or may not be Serious (under pressure like that, N could hold a good WNT w/ 4S, couldn't s/he? OTOH, you figure they hold 9-10 HCP in H, not this paltry 5, so with a WNT N should hold D & C honors), but I agree that the 4H cue claims a C control -- so S has to cinch it up and BW relying upon the bona fides of N's claim to hold 3-level values and subsequent slam-interest. Once again I conclude: That's why they call 'em preempts. Regards and Happy Trails, Scott NeedhamBoulder, Colorado, USA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianu2 Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 NoI think you are missing the 3♥ bid by west. If not, you are absolutely wrong about the meaning of 4♣. Well i hope u agree that i have a 4♠ bid and not 3♠.And i didn't miss the 3♥ bidding i just don't rebid 4♣ with no spade support because is out of sense! Who tells me that we don't have 3NT to play? My partner can have a monster when he bid 1♠. Why do i need to show my 7 cards on level 4?Why do i open 1♣ if i have only clubs? What do i miss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 i was unhappy with the 4s bid by south. South has to realizethat N is looking at poor spades and it is difficult for themto cooperate in slam ventures. Despite this N has cue bid 4hso they have a club control (which the 4d bid denied). S handis very very good opposite any 3s bid and much better oppositeone with the heart ace IMO rather than an immediate 4n i thinks should try 5h this will pinpoint the club concern for slam and guarantee thatthe spade suit is of no concern. After 5h N should offer a 6cbid (knowing p has at least 2 clubs) as an alternative contractand s should happily pass knowing N has at least 6c for such a bidand that 6c might be safer and easier than 6s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Well i hope u agree that i have a 4♠ bid and not 3♠.And i didn't miss the 3♥ bidding i just don't rebid 4♣ with no spade support because is out of sense! Who tells me that we don't have 3NT to play? My partner can have a monster when he bid 1♠. Why do i need to show my 7 cards on level 4?Why do i open 1♣ if i have only clubs? What do i miss?What do you do with: void, x, AQxx, KQJxxxxx or do you give up on bidding this scientifically and just open 5♣. 4♠ is a massive overbid, I'm sure you'll enjoy partner decking with AKxxx, xxx, xxx, xx or KQ10xxx, xx, Jxx, xx which is all he's shown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianu2 Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 What do you do with: void, x, AQxx, KQJxxxxx or do you give up on bidding this scientifically and just open 5♣. 4♠ is a massive overbid, I'm sure you'll enjoy partner decking with AKxxx, xxx, xxx, xx or KQ10xxx, xx, Jxx, xx which is all he's shown.WoW!!And what is your intention with 4♣? Afraid that opp's will stay at 3h and make it? Or that 4♣ is forcing now and asking some shape or controls or ...If my 4♠ is massive overbid then how is that funny 1♠ opening stop 800? http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/47129-atb/I give up . If u ever bid 4♣ with that hand then we just cannot play together.Stay good bid on hcps ignore opps (think they are not sane) so dunno ask why are u missing games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 4♠ is a massive overbid, I'm sure you'll enjoy partner decking with AKxxx, xxx, xxx, xx or KQ10xxx, xx, Jxx, xx which is all he's shown.Or even less! Wouldn't you bid 1S with QTxxx xx Kxxx xx? Have fun in 4S doubled there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted August 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 4C over 3H is natural showing nothing but long club suit. Bidding 4S over 3H is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Well i hope u agree that i have a 4♠ bid and not 3♠.And i didn't miss the 3♥ bidding i just don't rebid 4♣ with no spade support because is out of sense! Well then you have more serious problems than what i thought, which was missing the 3♥ bid. Who tells me that we don't have 3NT to play? My partner can have a monster when he bid 1♠. Why do i need to show my 7 cards on level 4? Your lack of stopper in ♥ perhaps ? Anyway, u are not gonna go too far in A/E forums with this 4♣ promissing 3 cards ♠ idea.. Why do i open 1♣ if i have only clubs? What do i miss? Is this a serious question ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 This is one my pd and I missed. We play pretty std 2/1. 1S shows 5 cards. Who do you think should be blamed for not biding slam. (Surely credit goes to EW for their action. But honestly I think NS should still find the slam ) Any comments are more than welcome/ TIA.[hv=pc=n&s=sakq32h2da543c432&n=sj54haj3dqckqj765&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1c1h1s3h3sp4dp4hp4sppp]266|200[/hv] As a nonexpert I thought no blame. --- FWIW I open 1nt off shape often.... Do you guys really expect to bid slam...VERY OFTEN... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianu2 Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Or even less! Wouldn't you bid 1S with QTxxx xx Kxxx xx? Have fun in 4S doubled there.That constructive auction 1cl-1h-1sp with q10xxx xx kxxx xx makes me understand your responses to t/o X :D And of course 4sp here is pretty nice contract unless U want to defend 4h (and do u have guns?). Hm i suggest to have a look to 1h-3h bidding which suggest some 9 cards in major so u may not be allowed to have that XX♥. Furthermore, our opps seem to play constructive raises so 3h is invitational for you? Previous hands no need comments.You are not bidding over1cl-1h-1sp-PASS-?but over 1cl-1h-1sp-3h-?that allows you to have extra info's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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