Mbodell Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Playing teams (IMPs) all red in first chair you hold: [hv=pc=n&n=s7hkt8753dkt97c87&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=2hp2n(Ogust)p]133|200[/hv] Partner makes an Ogust ask are you a good hand or bad hand in context? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschafer Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 I can't really imagine opening a vulnerable 2♥ on a suit worse than this and personally wouldn't even have done it on the given hand if it wasn't for the 4-card ♦ suit. This is a bad hand unless you play very aggressive vulnerable preempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Red at imps, my view is that this is a bad hand, bad suit, but only because my ogust structure makes me elect that way. Personally, I prefer either of two other ogust schemes: 1. 3♣ bad/bad or 5 card opening: 3D asks 3♦: not terrible, but not horrible either, in terms of 'weak two', without worrying about suit/hand distinctions....I'd vote for 3♦ with this hand, because of the shape and the decent side suit 3H good weak two based on suit 3S good weak two based on hand 2N is gf opposite a good hand. 2. 3C bad/bad or 5 card suit 3D I like my hand based on shape 3H I like my hand based on my suit 3S I love my hand...good suit, good hand. One can of course drop the 5 card possibility if one never opens with only 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robkat Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 It seems obvious that this is a bad hand so let me guess: partner has 4 card heart support and Ax in diamonds. Now this hand is good. Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Yeh, I voted bad/bad, too. But having preempted too many people with this hand already, I have already shown questionable judgement. Maybe that is a guide: if you cannot decide where it falls on the Ogust scale, it isn't a weak two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Just open 3♥, then you will not have any bidding problems later. (Of course, other problems might arise. :) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Wish partner had made a "September" ask. I like that much better. This hand is good if partner is angling to 4H.Weak if he is angling 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Wish partner had made a "September" ask. I like that much better. This hand is good if partner is angling to 4H.Weak if he is angling 3NT. And mediocre if he is angling for slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 It depends on what range is agreed, and what style regarding seat and vulnerability. In an "anything goes " style, this is a good hand/ bad suit, but it is so borderline that I really don't know what is best response. In a traditional style (5-10HCP, good 6-card suit) this is clearly bad hand/bad suit.PS. For these reasons, I did not vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 This is a good hand. 6-4 bid more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted July 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Partner's hand was QTxx AQ AQJx QTx so there are 10 red tricks in hearts (and maybe QT is enough black stoppers in 3nt?), but over 3♣, 3♥ is the final contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Partner's hand was QTxx AQ AQJx QTx so there are 10 red tricks in hearts (and maybe QT is enough black stoppers in 3nt?), but over 3♣, 3♥ is the final contract.Seems easy enough to get to 4H if we don't preempt pard's 1NT opening. When we invite game in hearts, pard can easily see why we didn't open 2H, and will accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 That's resulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) That's resulting.Really, and how did I manage to do that in my earlier post before the companion hand was given, when I stated my opinion that opening 2H was wrong? Actually it was a different kind of resulting...based on experience getting bad results when the only player I create problems for is supposed to be on my side. Edited July 28, 2011 by aguahombre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Playing teams (IMPs) all red in first chair you hold: [hv=pc=n&n=s7hkt8753dkt97c87&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=2hp2n(Ogust)p]133|200[/hv] Partner makes an Ogust ask are you a good hand or bad hand in context? 7 losers = good hand8 losers = bad hand Edit: and2 of top 3 honors = good suit1 of top 3 honors = bad suit Soo, for the hand in question , it is 3H! = good hand, bad suit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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