dae Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Does UNT apply over weak 2 bids? as-2S,4NT? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I've not seen an "unusual NT" in this situation, but many partnerships play leaping michaels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I would expect 4nt over an opponent's weak two to be straight blackwood. I agree that leaping Michaels would handle strong 2 suiters with a major, with strong 2 suiters with minors you can double first (although this isn't totally safe as partner can leave it in and/or he auction can get high quickly with jumps by partner and/or opponents in the majors). I can see an argument for 4nt as strong with the minors, and I play it as the minors over an opponents 1 level bid with most of my partners, but not over 2 level bids - I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I would expect (2M) 4NT to be a big minor 2 suited takeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I would expect 4nt over an opponent's weak two to be straight blackwood. I agree that leaping Michaels would handle strong 2 suiters with a major, with strong 2 suiters with minors you can double first (although this isn't totally safe as partner can leave it in and/or he auction can get high quickly with jumps by partner and/or opponents in the majors). I can see an argument for 4nt as strong with the minors, and I play it as the minors over an opponents 1 level bid with most of my partners, but not over 2 level bids - I think.I'd expect 4NT to be the minors: any hand that wants to Blackwood can start with a takeout double. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I'd expect 4NT to be the minors: any hand that wants to Blackwood can start with a takeout double.You really want to start with a double with AKQ to 10 A, x, x and defend 2 doubled ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 You really want to start with a double with AKQ to 10 A, x, x and defend 2 doubled ?I'll worry about that hand while getting to the best spot with my minor two-suiters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 You really want to start with a double with AKQ to 10 A, x, x and defend 2 doubled ? Get real. How many of those do you pick up as opposed to good minor 2 suiters? And anyway, you could start this with a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Undiscussed I would take it as minors. But what is (2♠)-4♠? Some play as showing minors, too, but a better hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 UNT applies, if a natural NT overcall does not make any sense. Overcalling a natural 4NT over 2Sdoes not make any sense, you have 2NT / 3NT and NT bids after a X, those options cover all bases. A 4NT overcall meant to ask for Aces is not natural, and usually itis more important to find the right game contract instead of reachingslam. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I'll worry about that hand while getting to the best spot with my minor two-suiters.My point was your contention that any hand that wants to Blackwood can start with a takeout double On balance it's clearly better to play it as minors and I do, but to say that there is no problem losing the immediate blackwood is not right. To play one of 4♠/4N as minors over 2♠ and the other as blackwood is not stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 (edited) Undiscussed I would take it as minors. But what is (2♠)-4♠? Some play as showing minors, too, but a better hand.With prior agreement:(2M) - ?? 4M! = minors4NT = Blackwood Why give up Blackwood ? Edited July 25, 2011 by TWO4BRIDGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM1973 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 You really want to start with a double with AKQ to 10 A, x, x and defend 2 doubled ?I believe that the chance of getting a 10-card suit is low enough that most players will go a lifetime without ever seeing one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I believe that the chance of getting a 10-card suit is low enough that most players will go a lifetime without ever seeing one.Nope, on average they see one, I've seen 3, 10-1-1-1, 10-2-1-0 and 10-3-0-0 and yet to get a decent result on any of them :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mck4711 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I am just reading "Preempts from A to Z" from Andersen/ Zenkel. They recommend the following: 2 maj: 2NT: 15-18, balanced, 2 stoppers 3NT: stopper, and tricks via a long, good suit 4C, 4D: strong 2-suiter with minor and other major 4 maj: strong 2-suiter minor Having said this, 4NT would be free for Blackwood. But I am not sure if this considered to be standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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