HeartA Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 "A 2/1 response guarantees to bid again". This means, any rebid from opener will not be passed and therefore, any rebid from opener is forcing. An alternative is "2/1 response forced to 2NT". In either version, a rebid of 2♠ from opener should not be passed, (thus, it is FORCING). The difference of 2/1 and 1/1 is that 1/1 responder may pass opener's rebid, though 1/1 is also forcing. Give me the evidence where it says 2/1 responder could pass opener's rebid (except 2NT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Any partner who passes in the auction 1S 2H 2S unless they're already a passed hand doesn't stay my partner for much longer. 1) 2Nt here should show stoppers in both minors (instead of 2S)2) 3C/D show at least 17 HCP, and a good 2 suiter. So what am I supposed to do with something like: AKxxx Kx KQxx xx If I have to do anything other than bid 2S, I'm playing a different system next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos59 Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 We have to play sometimes :)anyway I agree with you, mr1303.Moreover, if one is not playing 2/1GF, thenthe 2H reply is beyond reproach. If both players were really playing Sayc, then theauction would go1S-2H2S-3H (good 6-carder, not much else, may be passed) and then probably opener would bid 4H. nikos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cf_John0 Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 It's obvious that there is some misfit on this deck, and impossible to further a slam. The best bid, I think, is 4S to sign off: (1),4H is impossible better than 4S; (2),3NT will be hard to complete; (3),4D is too strong for this hand. TY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Were you going with this hand? Let's look at your three options. 1) 3NT with no club stopper? Well, it might work, but it is not for me.2) 4D? Nope, that has to agree spades as trumps, and slam try. You don't have a slam try.3) 4H? Not terrible, if one assumes partner would not jumpshift in spades without at least a mild heart tolerance. 4) 4S, the bid you didn't mention, which, btw, is the best bid available. I can live with 4H, but I would rebid 4S. BTW, I would not have bid 2H with this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 3♠ really should forcing if you think about it in SAYC. Um, I'm just askin', mind you, but how can any rebid of your own suit ever be forcing? Strongly encouraging, sure. But forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 3♠ really should forcing if you think about it in SAYC. Um, I'm just askin', mind you, but how can any rebid of your own suit ever be forcing? Strongly encouraging, sure. But forcing? This thread has gotten out of hand. Its a good thing most of us don't play SAYC around here B) . Some are saying a 2♠ rebid can't be passed (I agree). Now, some are suggesting a 3♠ rebid CAN be passed? :) _______________________ On a fundamental level: Responder is showing roughly, a 10 count or more. Opener is showing roughly, a 15 count or more. Thus we have values for game. _______________________ What would you bid with: AQJxxx, Kx, AKx, xx? Would you bid 2♠, hoping it doesn't get passed (apparently there is some disagreement on whether or not it can be). Would you bid 4♠, knowing partner may play you for a minimum hand and a good 7 card suit? How about a nice, descriptive 3♦? 3♠ shows the above hand. 100% forcing, showing a nice suit and some extra values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 4S. I have a fitting spade honor and pard has a good 6 card suit or better, so how can this be bad? As for not bidding 2H, to me the only advantage of SAYC is that i can bid 2H with this kind of hand. I'm glad to be playing SAYC when i have a hand like this. As for 2S being forcing, I'm told by a SAYC teacher Petra Hamman that it is, however i fear im out of touch with SAYC so i dont know for sure. I'll take her word for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 I can live with 4H, but I would rebid 4S. BTW, I would not have bid 2H with this hand. ben, if you're playing sayc what would you bid in lieu of 2h? if 1nt, opener might pass (not with this hand, of course, but 1nt not forcing in sayc)... as for 2h not being forcing, on a practical level how can opener afford to pass? and 3s has to show extras, if not in hcp at least in total points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 I can live with 4H, but I would rebid 4S. BTW, I would not have bid 2H with this hand. ben, if you're playing sayc what would you bid in lieu of 2h? if 1nt, opener might pass (not with this hand, of course, but 1nt not forcing in sayc)... as for 2h not being forcing, on a practical level how can opener afford to pass? and 3s has to show extras, if not in hcp at least in total points Well.. first I try not to play SAYC. Yes, playing SAYC you have to bid 2♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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