the_dude Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=skq864haj8d8c9765&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=p3dpp]133|200|IMPs[/hv] If so, with what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 I voted 3♠, but wonder about double, correcting 3♥ to 3♠. What does that show by a passed hand? Does it guarantee 5 spades? It would be nice to open this hand, but I wouldn't playing your typical 2/1 or standard american. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM1973 Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 No bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jh51 Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 The OP says this is IMPs. I may be wrong, but I kind doubt we have game, so I pass. West can have a decent hand with no game prospects, and an action by me may lead to a big penalty. If I am wrong, it costs us a few IMPs. If I am right, it may save us a bunch of IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 and an action by me may lead to a big penalty. Which is exactly why I'm doubling.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I voted 3♠, but wonder about double, correcting 3♥ to 3♠. What does that show by a passed hand? Does it guarantee 5 spades? Given we're a passed hand, that sounds like a good strategy. Bloody hell we sure got 5 spades for it :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Double looks normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Yes I double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Also double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Given we're a passed hand, that sounds like a good strategy. Bloody hell we sure got 5 spades for it :P Not ever 4-2-2-5? I suppose that hand would always pass at this level. Maybe it's a better question over 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Not ever 4-2-2-5? I suppose that hand would always pass at this level. Maybe it's a better question over 2♦.The nice thing about double as a passed hand on the hand posted in the OP is that it gives you options - if partner has the penalty pass you get them, and, if not, you are able to show your spades. Reopening with 3♠ doesn't give you the option of penalizing them. With the 4-2-2-5 hand it is too dangerous to act. If partner bids 3♥, you don't have a safe out at the 3 level (not to say that 3♠ is "safe," but it is better than 4♣). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 If you choose to double with a 4225 after pass-2♦-pass-pass, and you don't now want to pass 2♥, you should convert to 3♣ (or possibly 2NT). That loses when you could make exactly 2♠, but ensures that you don't play a 4-2 fit. But I don't think you should double with that hand-type anyway - if you can't bring yourself to pass, maybe you should have opened the bidding instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill1157 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I might have opened 2♠... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 The nice thing about double as a passed hand on the hand posted in the OP is that it gives you options - if partner has the penalty pass you get them, and, if not, you are able to show your spades. Reopening with 3♠ doesn't give you the option of penalizing them. If you choose to double with a 4225 after pass-2♦-pass-pass, and you don't now want to pass 2♥, you should convert to 3♣ (or possibly 2NT). That loses when you could make exactly 2♠, but ensures that you don't play a 4-2 fit. One could play that conversion to 2S over P-2D-P-P;X-P-2H shows 4♠, longer clubs, and that you just bid with hands with a 5 card spade suit and takeout shape instead of offering the penalty first. I wonder if this is best at the 2-level (or 1-level). You run the risk of partner jumping in hearts, of course, so maybe best just to pass these hands as gnasher suggests. I will agree, however, that what Art says about the allowing the penalty pass is likely best at the 3-level. I was worried about my X-3♥;3♠ being taken properly, but it appears it would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM1973 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 I'm surprised so many people are doubling. I'd like to see one of those 1,000 hand deals to see how double works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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