daveharty Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 [hv=pc=n&e=sakq72hak4dtcakqj&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=2dp]133|200[/hv]Best hand I'd picked up in a while, and partner tried to spoil it. For better or worse, you have agreed to play a "free-wheeling" weak 2 style with Ogust responses to 2NT. New suits are F1. A direct jump to 4C would be a keycard ask. What is your plan? If you bid 2NT, partner will bid 3D (good suit, bad hand). If you bid 2S, partner will bid 3D. If you bid 4C, partner will bid 4S (1 key + trump Q). Bonus upvote to the first person to correctly identify who said it, and in what movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) I'll start with 2♠... No idea how I'd gonna find the information I need, but it can't hurt to try. Over 3♦ I am painfully tempted to rebid 3N, but I guess I'll try 4♦ (or 4♥) to keycard now. After that I'll probably punt 6N. Edited July 15, 2011 by mtvesuvius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_R__E_G Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 It was Donald Pleasence playing the President in Escape from New York and I'll start with 2NT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 I'll follow Adam's start (Spades,♦KC) but I'll punt to 6♦ instead of 6NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 It's obvious that partner can't have a good "hand" but may a have good "suit"If he has A K Q .... his reply to 2NT! ( Ogust ) will be 3NT!If he has 2 of the top 3 honors, he will reply "good suit " . You can't bid 6NT, because you won't be able to get to dummy if the suit isn't running.So, with either of the 2 replies above, I'll bid 6D . Even if partner showed the A K Q... you don't know about the J. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 2♠ seems perfect: keeps bidding low, lets pard clear up his shape, etc. Good thing this is forcing :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 It's obvious that partner can't have a good "hand" but may a have good "suit"If he has A K Q .... his reply to 2NT! ( Ogust ) will be 3NT!If he has 2 of the top 3 honors, he will reply "good suit " . You can't bid 6NT, because you won't be able to get to dummy if the suit isn't running.So, with either of the 2 replies above, I'll bid 6D . Even if partner showed the A K Q... you don't know about the J. All of the above but if I find the AKQ, I'll punt 7nt for either good luck (ie. the J♠), a squeeze or a really good pseudo one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 I'm starting with 2♠. If its not raised, I am aiming for 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted July 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Okay, seems like 2S is the popular option, which was my choice at the table. After partner's 3D rebid, what is your plan for finding out trump quality? Is it possible to cater to x/xxx/AJ9xxx/xxx (when 3NT looks best), or xx/Qx/KQJ9xx/xxx (6NT), or the various permutations where 6D makes, etc. Is it just a guess whether to try for slam or not, or do you think the odds favor it? It would really suck to get past 3NT and find partner with xx/QJx/QJ9xxxx/xx. mtvesuvius mentioned his temptation to bid 3NT, which was my (agonized) choice at the table. Afterwards I found myself wishing that I had more tightly defined Ogust responses available, i.e. "a good suit is one that can reasonable expect to play for one loser opposite a small doubleton" or something like that, rather than just the "2 of the top 3 honors" that I would have assumed (but wasn't discussed). Anybody have better working definitions of good/bad hand and suit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Over 3♦ I would probably bid 4NT. Will stop short of slam if pard has no keys, else trust him to have some diamond strength and bid 6♦. Opposite xxxxKQJxxxxxx 6♦ is pretty ok, but 6NT rather hopeless. As to better oogust responses, sorry mine suck as much as yours :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted July 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 The full hand: [hv=pc=n&s=sjthqt982dk64ct64&w=s6hj73daqj932c953&n=s98543h65d875c872&e=sakq72hak4dtcakqj&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=2dp2sp3dp3nppp]399|300[/hv] +490 was decent but obviously 6D is where you want to be. At the table, I thought 2S was pretty clear, but then I felt I'd endplayed myself into being unable to find out enough about partner's diamond holding. Pretty pessimistic I suppose. At least if I'd started with 2NT, I would have felt better after partner showed a good suit, but slam would still be pretty bad opposite AQ9xxx, there would STILL be room for pessimism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 6♣ makes 7. Right again (jk!). 6N looks like a fun "play or defend" hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 6♣ makes 7. Right again (jk!). 6N looks like a fun "play or defend" hand.Steppingstone for all the matchpoints :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM1973 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 [hv=pc=n&e=sakq72hak4dtcakqj&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=2dp]133|200[/hv]Best hand I'd picked up in a while, and partner tried to spoil it. For better or worse, you have agreed to play a "free-wheeling" weak 2 style with Ogust responses to 2NT. New suits are F1. A direct jump to 4C would be a keycard ask. What is your plan? If you bid 2NT, partner will bid 3D (good suit, bad hand). If you bid 2S, partner will bid 3D. If you bid 4C, partner will bid 4S (1 key + trump Q). Bonus upvote to the first person to correctly identify who said it, and in what movie.I'll bid 4♣ and if partner shows up with AK of diamonds, I'll bid 7NT. If he shows up with KQ of diamonds, I'll bid 6♦. Checking the spoiler, I see he's got AQ of diamonds. I'll try 6NT at matchpoints, 6♦ at IMPs. He could easily have ♠J, ♠xx with spades 3-3 or ♥Q It seems like 6NT doesn't make against a good defense, but hey... maybe I'll get a lucky lead or something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 It seems like 6NT doesn't make against a good defense, but hey... maybe I'll get a lucky lead or something. It makes against, good (normal) defense. Do you see why? And double dummy declarer play will make it against double dummy defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 And double dummy declarer play will make it against double dummy defense. This took me a bit of time. Extremely mild spoiler: This problem would be easier if you found it in a book than here as a randomly dealt hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM1973 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 It makes against, good (normal) defense. Do you see why? And double dummy declarer play will make it against double dummy defense.I'm assuming you mean you get a good lead (like a club) and so you play 4 clubs, and 3 spades getting the bad news on the 3rd spade. So then you finesse a diamond, play the ♦A and exit with a diamond forcing him to break the heart suit letting you make your ♥J. However, I'd be interested to see you make the contract against the lead of ♦6. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jh51 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Bonus upvote to the first person to correctly identify who said it, and in what movie. It was Earnest Borgnine's character (Cabbie, the cab driver) in Escape from New York. Edit - Upon actually looking this up, it seems that both the Cabbie and the President said this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted July 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 However, I'd be interested to see you make the contract against the lead of ♦6. diamond finesse at trick 1, 3 rounds of clubs, Ace of spades, low spade. South is forced to win, and must either give you another diamond finesse or lead away from the heart queen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 The full hand: [hv=pc=n&s=sjthqt982dk64ct64&w=s6hj73daqj932c953&n=s98543h65d875c872&e=sakq72hak4dtcakqj&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=2dp2sp3dp3nppp]399|300[/hv] +490 was decent but obviously 6D is where you want to be. At the table, I thought 2S was pretty clear, but then I felt I'd endplayed myself into being unable to find out enough about partner's diamond holding. Pretty pessimistic I suppose. At least if I'd started with 2NT, I would have felt better after partner showed a good suit, but slam would still be pretty bad opposite AQ9xxx, there would STILL be room for pessimism. agree with this at MP....I give up on slam. take my decent score and next hand pls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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