Nice 5-6

[xxhong]

If you usually double 2D with 4-5 in majors, extra value, then your 2S shows at least 4-6. The second pass of partner shows that he really doesn't have a good fit. With any one card for you and reasonable fit, he would bid 3H with hands like Kxx xxx xxxx xxx. What about xxx xxx xxx Qxxx, should you bid 3H to play your 9 card fit? Possible, if they don't compete further. If they compete further, you may not like to see them play 5D, which can often be made. Also, this is to assume that you may find a 9 card fit. If partner holds something like xxx xx QJx QTxxx, you may go down in 3H when they may go down in 3D. So generally, you have pretty much shown your hand and you have some defense against 3D if partner holds some cards in D, so it suggests that you should usually pass here. 3S should be bid with hands like:

AQJxx AKQxxx x x.

♠AT532 ♥AKQ653 ♦K ♣3

 

Teams, r/w

 

1♥ - (dbl) - pass - (2♦);

2♠ - (3♦) - pass - (pass);

?

 

Agree with 2♠? Now what?

[Phil]

Yes, Timo and I chuckled at a few of the answers.

 

At first glance, this is a good hand after all. I also think that if you go over the reasons for passing that you can convince them that its right.

[han]

I'd like to vouch for my friend and junior poster cherdano.

 

I'd like to add that, while I agree that 2S shows a good hand, I don't think it shows a 5-6.

 

I'd also like to add that if south had Kxx of spades instead of Jxx then you'd make 4H.

[Tataie]

I would bid 3♥.

6-5 focused hands should never be passed that easily.

The only thing stops me from 3♠ is their x on my left but even so the game is close opposite only kxx ♠.

If he has Kxx ♠ and left opps x on only 3♠ I just gave away my win ticked.

Risky :(

[kayin801]

I'd like to add that, while I agree that 2S shows a good hand, I don't think it shows a 5-6.

 

Thank you han. There's [edited nonsense, ty gnasher, tgif] probably even some 4-5 hands that we'd bid 2♠ on.

[gnasher]

I'd like to add that, while I agree that 2S shows a good hand, I don't think it shows a 5-6.

 

I'd also like to add that if south had Kxx of spades instead of Jxx then you'd make 4H.

Spades will be 4-1 quite often, won't they?

Edited July 15, 2011 by gnasher

[gnasher]

Thank you han. There's some 5-5 and probably even some 4-5 hands that we'd bid 2♠ on.

Are there? Speaking for myself, there aren't any hands with 5-5 in the majors that I'd open 1♥, and it's hard to think of a 4-5 hand that would bid 2♠ rather than double.

[kayin801]

Are there? Speaking for myself, there aren't any hands with 5-5 in the majors that I'd open 1♥, and it's hard to think of a 4-5 hand that would bid 2♠ rather than double.

 

Agree on the first one, im speaking nonsense.

 

You'd rather X on AKJx, AKxxx, Kxx, x?

[gnasher]

Agree on the first one, im speaking nonsense.

 

You'd rather X on AKJx, AKxxx, Kxx, x?

It's true that a very strong 4531 shape might bid 2♠ (though with the pipless wonder above I would probably just go quietly). I doubt, however, that partner will play me for this shape - he is probably loking at at least three diamonds, so he knows I don't have three.

[Phil]

I retract that 2♠ promises a 5-6. I think it can show a 4-6. But a 4-6 will have compensating honor strength, and it likely doesnt affect partner's evaluation over 3♦.

[Cyberyeti]

What kind of hand from partner are the bidders hoping for?

Kx, Jx, xxx, xxxxxx will do nicely, but there are lots of good things partner can have, and he doesn't need much, even the same shape yarborough I have play on the likely defence and am unlikely to be doubled.

[aguahombre]

Kx, Jx, xxx, xxxxxx will do nicely, but there are lots of good things partner can have, and he doesn't need much, even the same shape yarborough I have play on the likely defence and am unlikely to be doubled.

With that holding, I think partner would have (should have) bid 3H voluntarily over 3D.

[dake50]

Hate 2S. I have self sufficient 6xH. Keep my shape unknown.

Doesn't the T/O Dbl have 4xS?

Jump to 3H instead of 2S.

[mtvesuvius]

Hate 2S. I have self sufficient 6xH. Keep my shape unknown.

Doesn't the T/O Dbl have 4xS?

Jump to 3H instead of 2S.

LOL

[the hog]

Yes, Timo and I chuckled at a few of the answers.

 

At first glance, this is a good hand after all. I also think that if you go over the reasons for passing that you can convince them that its right.

 

Maybe you don't think the players MrAce asked are any good?

Also note that had he guessed the S correctly, (extremely unlikely of course), 4S is on ice.

[Phil]

Maybe you don't think the players MrAce asked are any good?

Also note that had he guessed the S correctly, (extremely unlikely of course), 4S is on ice.

 

Of course they are good, that's why they were asked!

 

4♠ doesn't make by the way, guess or no guess.

[cherdano]

I'd also like to add that if south had Kxx of spades instead of Jxx then you'd make 4H.

I'd think that partner should act with ♠Kxx and ♥Jx.

[mike777]

FWIW all posters seem to think th e65 hand is the crucial hand..

 

 

I strongly diaagree........opener just needs to show extra and let responer bid.

 

 

 

I think the key bid is by responder not opener.

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If one h and then 2h shows extras ok.

[Cyberyeti]

Also note that had he guessed the S correctly, (extremely unlikely of course), 4S is on ice.

Stiff heart lead beats 4♠ trivially.

[the hog]

Stiff heart lead beats 4♠ trivially.

 

Assuming that is led!

[han]

I'd think that partner should act with ♠Kxx and ♥Jx.

 

By south I meant the doubler, not partner.

[gnasher]

I think responder's actual hand is a clearcut 3♥ bid. ♠Q and ♥J are really good cards.

 

With the hand that Cherdano thought Han was talking about, Kxx Jx in the majors, I'd be thinking about bidding game. Game isn't cold opposite that - it's off on any 4-1 spade break, mainly because opener's spades are so bad. On that sort of layout, the trump switch shouldn't be hard to find against 4♥.

[Cyberyeti]

Are there? Speaking for myself, there aren't any hands with 5-5 in the majors that I'd open 1♥, and it's hard to think of a 4-5 hand that would bid 2♠ rather than double.

I've now taken to opening 5-5s that are so good I'm bidding game if partner speaks with 1♥ with a lot of success (on a small sample size), although I might not do so R/W. In the unopposed auction 1♥-1N-2♠-?-3♠ you seem to be better off than you are after 1♠-1N-3♥ where you haven't shown 5-5, but if opps interfere as they're likely to do W/R you can be worse off.