Phil Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 ♠AT532 ♥AKQ653 ♦K ♣3 Teams, r/w 1♥ - (dbl) - pass - (2♦);2♠ - (3♦) - pass - (pass); ? Agree with 2♠? Now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Pass I've shown my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Pass I've shown my hand.3♠ would show your hand, but I'm afraid to do it "red" .... so pass for me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 I might have bid 4♦ instead of 2♠. 3♠ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 3♥. I think the passers are crazy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Obvious 3♥ bid IMO. I could have bid 4♥ too but DBL by LHO slowed me down. About 2♠ bid ... it may help pd to figure how much he can help us, but on the other hand this stiff ♦ K makes me believe they can lead ♠ if i dont mention it at all, which would definetely be a great + in 3-4 ♥. Also mentioning ♠ makes it much easier for opponents to DBL and defend accurately if we are too high already. I would never consider passing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Teams, r/w. ♠AT532 ♥AKQ653 ♦K ♣31♥ - (dbl) - pass - (2♦);2♠ - (3♦) - pass - (pass); ?Agree with 2♠? Now what? Close decision. Passing could miss game. Bidding could result in a penalty. but I guess 3♠ = 10, Double = 9, 3♥ = 8, Pass = 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 I can't understand the passers. I would bid 3H which is far superior to 3S in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 I still have AKQxxx of hearts, right? (3♥) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Obvious 3♥ bid IMO. I could have bid 4♥ too but DBL by LHO slowed me down. About 2♠ bid ... it may help pd to figure how much he can help us, but on the other hand this stiff ♦ K makes me believe they can lead ♠ if i dont mention it at all, which would definetely be a great + in 3-4 ♥. Also mentioning ♠ makes it much easier for opponents to DBL and defend accurately if we are too high already. I would never consider passing though. A club was led against 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 3H is obvious IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 I must be getting old. I'd pass. I've already reversed at adverse, in a fairly dangerous auction. How much less than this can I have? In the context of having bid 2♠, my spades are awful, my hearts mediocre, and my minor-suit values useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Agree with Andy (except I know that I am getting old). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 I would bid 3♥ and also don't understand the passers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 ♠AT532 ♥AKQ653 ♦K ♣3 Teams, r/w 1♥ - (dbl) - pass - (2♦);2♠ - (3♦) - pass - (pass); ? Agree with 2♠? Now what? no 2h2h shows 6h and extras, not minimum.pard seems to have close to nothing. lho has spades. both opp seem to have D.----- now pass I have overbid this hand enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 What kind of hand from partner are the bidders hoping for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschafer Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 This hand doesn't seem strong enough to bid 3♠ with the poor ♠ suit and stiff K♦ when vul. Passing doesn't look great either with a 6-5 and suits headed by A and AKQ. 3♥ is what I'd go for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 3♥. I think the passers are crazy. Obvious 3♥ bid IMO. I would never consider passing. I can't understand the passers. I would bid 3H etc, etc. Oh dear, I can't really understand the bidders - is my judgment really that bad? What do the bidders think partner will expect them to hold for their 2♠ bid? I do wonder whether those wanting to bid now are suggesting that they don't really trust their partner's judgment. Looking at it another way, I think this hand has a lot of losers unless partner has some sort of fit for the spades, which seems unlikely in view of the take-out double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 My first instinct was pass since I have bid 1H and 2S all by myself at unfav didn't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 3♠. Come on, how often are you dealt a 65 with 4 losers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 I admit that bidding 3♥ is a bit push and not considering pass was an overstatement by me. I am still bidding 3♥ eventhough i know the hand and bidding doesnt work for this one. I think 3♠ bid is way too much by the way. What kind of hand from partner are the bidders hoping for? 3♥ bidders are hoping for a lucky layout in ♠ suit to make 4, or to make 3♥ or go down 1 at worst. As i corrected my previous opinion, i know its a bit push :) Kxxxxxxxxxxxx Qx Jxxxxxxxxxx QJxxxxxxxxxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 One of my partners held this hand yesterday while I was kibbing "his hand". He bid 3♥, and I thought that was crazy. He disagreed, but I said I would post it on the forums, but that he should pay attention to comments from some of the senior posters like Gnasher and Han (ok, Cherdano is a good proxy :P). WD (IMO) to jmcw, wellspyder, mike777 and andy_h. I'll make the case for pass. I don't know if I will change any of the minds of the "3♥ WTP " crowd, but I hope that you will listen and understand why some really good players are passing. 1. We've already shown a good 5-6. If you don't agree, here are a few reasons: a) We are forcing the auction to the 3 level;b) We are bidding spades into LHO's TOx. Therefore we should have a good hand. c) We are potentially competing for a part score, while offering up a sizable number. 2. If you accept #1 as truth, then you should realize that you've already shown a good 5-6. Partner knows this and passed over 3♦. Either partner wants to defend 3♦ or partner has no interest in bidding. Good players don't bid their partner's hand. Here's the full layout: http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn|South,West,North,East|st||md|4S68JH3D279JQC2JKA%2CS34QH6JD34TC3567Q%2CS9KH789TD568AC49T%2C|rh||ah|Board%206|sv|e|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|2S|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|CA|pc|C3|pc|CT|pc|C8|pc|D2|pc|D3|pc|DA|pc|DK|pc|D6|pc|H2|pc|D7|pc|D4|pc|H4|pc|H3|pc|HJ|pc|H7|pc|H6|pc|H8|pc|HA|pc|C2|pc|S7|pc|S8|pc|SQ|pc|SK|pc|D8|pc|H5|pc|DJ|pc|DT|pc|HK|pc|CJ|pc|C5|pc|H9|pc|HQ|pc|DQ|pc|C6|pc|HT|pc|S2|pc|S6|pc|S3|pc|S9|pc|D5|pc|S5|mc|6| I thought he caught a great dummy for 3♥ (his partner should probably bid 3♥ IMO), and the contract drifted two off (there was a misclaim at the end). 3♦ looks interesting, but I think it has problems on heart, heart, diamond finesse losing, heart. If declarer draws trump, he can lose a club and pitch a spade on the 4th club, but there is still a losing heart. If declarer abandons trumps, then the defense can sacrifice their spade trick for an overruff. Some of the comments so far are pretty amusing. I especially laughed at the implications of "we might have a game". The best comment I've heard from the 3♥ bidders is from Mr. Ace about the wisdom of 2♠ itself and I think he has a good point. Its unusual that playing spades will be right, so why give the defense a roadmap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 I must be getting old. I'd pass. I've already reversed at adverse, in a fairly dangerous auction. How much less than this can I have? In the context of having bid 2♠, my spades are awful, my hearts mediocre, and my minor-suit values useless. Agree with Andy (except I know that I am getting old). Maybe this decision is one example of why we lived this long. I felt safer in Viet Nam than I do about making another call. And I have the same confidence that partner was on my side and has already made an appropriate choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Phil and i was lurking in the lobby of BBO. So i decided to ask this hand to some very decent players and to some top worldclass players. Not that i am trying to support my 3♥ bid, regardless of what they say i am convinced that 3♥ is a bit pushy. Phil and i was shocked with some of the replies.... TEZ (European champ and world imp pairs champ titles) : " I agree with 2♠, and i bid 3♥ now. " UDAY : "I bid 4♥", he doesnt believe 2♠ showed exactly 6-5 but a shapely hand. Steve Robinson : No answer Kriztof Martens with his words copy and paste " Hi. I bid 3!H. I agree for 2!S. good luck " Norberto Bocchi, copying and pasting his words " i'd bid 3 spades before " Ritong : Agrees with 2♠ and bids 3♠ now. Having posted what they said and bid, i have to say something about this hand. I believe this hand makes an illusion to the eye and makes the holder overconfident. Makes the holder forget that pd passed 1♥ initially and then passed 3♦ after our 2♠. Of course these people when answer my question, did not have the luxury to think over it a long time as we do on forums or this was irrelevant and thinking over it would not change their mind, idk. I have to admit, again, the more i think i feel myself more close to the passers than bidders even after some of the bridge gods says otherwise. EDIT: 2 more replies Sergey Kustarov : I would DBL now, agree with 2!S Giorgio Duboin " I agree with 2!S and i DBL now" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 3♥. Yes, I have shown a very good hand. But I am not giving up. It really doesn't take a lot to make a game. On a good day Kx xx in the majors may be enough. On the other hand, I am not forcing the action to the 4 level by bidding 3♠. My hand is good, but it is not that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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