kgr Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=skq432hqdcqjt5432]133|100|MP's<br>All Green[/hv]What do you open?2♠=Muiderberg (weak 5c♠; 4+minor) - If you open 1♣ (2+ card) then:Partner transfers to ♥ (T-Walsh).1♣-1♦!(xfer♥)1♠-2NT (1♠ denies 3c♥)?? - If you open the bidding with a Pass You can :- - first bid ♣ and then ♠ (GF)- - First bid ♠, and retransfer to ♠ after partner bids 1NT; If you then bid ♣ this is GF. (with 5c♠ and 4+♣)- - First bid ♠, and transfer to ♣ (with 2♠) after partner bids 1NT; If you then rebid ♠ this is undefined. (but first bidding ♠ then ♣ denies a 5c♠ & denies GF values) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I open with 1♣ and follow the bidding you set out for that start. Over 2NT I bid 3♠. If partner continues with 3NT, I bid 4♣. So far, no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 I don't like that hand very much, but we don't need much from partner to make game. So I prefer 1♣ over a Muiderberg. After the opening I'll bid ♠ twice to show 5♠-6♣. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 - If you open the bidding with a Pass You can : [...] (GF) Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Really? What are you trying to tell ?Your "really" seems very manipulative to us ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ What are you trying to tell ?Your "really" seems very manipulative to us ...... Can you not READ?! Obviously he is talking about the fact that a passed hand should not be able to GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Can you not READ?! Obviously he is talking about the fact that a passed hand should not be able to GF. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Oh,yes, might be be true.... Anyway, good to hear your opinion. It would be nice if everyone would appreciate the ideas of others, without making fun of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 And I suppose the term "manipulative' is good natured... And who the heck is "us" anyway? :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Really?Maybe it is not really GF after initial Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted July 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=skq432hqdcqjt5432]133|100|MP's<br>All Green[/hv]What do you open?2♠=Muiderberg (weak 5c♠; 4+minor) - If you open 1♣ (2+ card) then:Partner transfers to ♥ (T-Walsh).1♣-1♦!(xfer♥)1♠-2NT (1♠ denies 3c♥)?? - If you open the bidding with a Pass You can :- - first bid ♣ and then ♠ (GF)- - First bid ♠, and retransfer to ♠ after partner bids 1NT; If you then bid ♣ this is GF. (with 5c♠ and 4+♣)- - First bid ♠, and transfer to ♣ (with 2♠) after partner bids 1NT; If you then rebid ♠ this is undefined. (but first bidding ♠ then ♣ denies a 5c♠ & denies GF values)our bidding was:Pass-1♥1♠-1NT2♠!-3♣! (2♠=xfer ♣; 3♣=bad hand)3♠-Pass- I opened 1♥ in 3th hand and had an 11 HCP 2=5=4=2 hand.I passed 3♠ because we are a new partership & I thought partner misbid and tried to correct to 3♠.We did go down but it was still a decent score because most other pairs were higher and did go down more. - Would you still open 1♣ if you change the ♣J or ♣Q to a small ♣?- Would you also open 1♣ with 1=5=1=7 hand & reverse 2♥ if partner bids 1♠? Thanks,Koen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 1♣ and 3♠ later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxhong Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 This hand is probably closer to a 3C opening than to 1C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted July 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 This hand is probably closer to a 3C opening than to 1C.I was surprised that everyone was opening 1C with this hand. (and I wonder what they would do if the hand was slightly weaker OR if ♠ & ♥ were reversed).But I never thought that anyone would open it 3♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 - Would you still open 1♣ if you change the ♣J or ♣Q to a small ♣?No, the QJT makes this holding nice. In that case I'd open a Muiderberg. - Would you also open 1♣ with 1=5=1=7 hand & reverse 2♥ if partner bids 1♠?I'd also open 1♣ but I wouldn't reverse. Just rebid 2♣, unless you have alternatives like 3♥ specifically showing a minimum 5♥-6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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