Lurpoa Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Yes, it is Competitive Bidding. :unsure: You have as South:♠ K52♥ 2♦ K754♣ J8743IMP scoring, you are Vul vs nonVul. Your RHO opens with a pass, you pass, LHO opens 1♥ - they play SAYC. Partner overcalls 2♣ - we too play SAYC, so 2♣ is typically 12-16H, 5card. Now your RHO raises to 2♥. Your call now. At first I was inclined to bid 5clubs. At a reversed vulnerability I surely would have done. Besides I am not sure they will make 4Hearts. So I decided to bid a conservative 3Clubs, hoping that they would not bid 4Hearts, on which I will have a difficult decision. If I say, that this is Butler scoring, that the average level of the pairs is rather low and that the actual opponents are one of the better participating pairs, does that influence your decision ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 If partner knows that a 2♣ call at these colors is different than all other colors then I am justified in a 5♣ call otherwise a 3♥ call is sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I like 5♣ but at these colours I don't think it's worth it. I'll go with 3♥ to let partner be part of the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 4♣. Not ideal, but I don't have a mixed raise available and I'm afraid pard gets serious if I bid 3♥. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 5C opposite my partner. The spoiler information was not useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 5C opposite my partner. The spoiler information was not useful. Yeah it was pretty useless but I just read it. I try never to read it before answereing so I can be as objective as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 ♥ Lurpoa ♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I like 5♣ but at these colours I don't think it's worth it. I think these colours make 5♣ an easier decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Yes, it is Competitive Bidding. :unsure: IMP scoring, you are Vul vs nonVul.You have as South: ♠ K52 ♥ 2 ♦ K754 ♣ J8743Your RHO opens with a pass, you pass, LHO opens 1♥ - they play SAYC.Partner overcalls 2♣ - we too play SAYC, so 2♣ is typically 12-16H, 5card.Now your RHO raises to 2♥. IMO 3♥♥♥ = 10, 5♣ = 9, 4♣ = 8, 3♣ = 7.There may be no game for anybody. Or 3N may be a better contract than 5♣ opposite say♠ AJ ♥ QJx ♦ xx ♣ AKxxxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 3♥, and pulling 3NT to 4♣. Good thing I'm a passed hand, or else this wouldn't have been a viable route. Were I unpassed, this dilemma might sway me to double. If parners overcalls can be as crappy as mine, I make a note to discuss using 2NT as a sound raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Hi, At green vs. red, I would bid 4H. Since we are red and they are Green, ..., I just raise to 3C, over 3H I will pass, similar if they bid 4H. If I have an agreement, I would like to make a mixed raise, showing constructive values. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 4♣ At these colors 4♣ can not be bid on nothing and is in my opinion a good description of the hand. 5♣ is too much and could be expensive and 3♣ is for children. 3♥ should show more and a more suitable hand for 3NT. If you intent to take 3NT out, then you might as well bid 4♣ straight away. Leave the final decision to partner. Partner may have duplication in ♥ and may even be able to double a 4♥ indiscretion. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 we are wayyyyy too weak for a 3h bid which shouldshow almost an ace more than we have. If opps bid4h and p x after our 3h bid we have a really toughtime passing that x because of our overbidding. at these colors 3c should be sufficient if p cannotmove over 3c it is unlikely we have a game. 3cwarns p that they might have less club defense than they think and is right on with overall power so we can respect any penalty x p might make if opps continue. We also have a tad in reserve so if it goes3h p p we can bid 4c w/o too much concern. anyone that bids 3c with a hand like Kxx xxx Kxx Jxxxat these colors needs a new playbook. Your current handis close to minimum you need for a 3c bid v/nv. Having said the above i have a certain respect for adirect leap to 5c hoping to give opps last guess. Itis a rather large gamble at these colors though so my weak heart tends to avoid such extreme bids. I would bid 4c on about a k less than I have so it isalso pretty far off on values. IMO 3c = 10 5c=7 4c=4 3h=2 pass=1* *better than say 7n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I'm not sure what a playbook is, but apparently I need a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_R__E_G Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I'm not sure what a playbook is, but apparently I need a new one. They are made by a wonderful Canadian company by the name of Research in Motion and can be purchased at an electronics store near you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 I'm not sure what a playbook is, but apparently I need a new one. I think the bridge equivalent would be a convention card. But if I equated K52 2 K754 J8743 with Kxx xxx Kxx Jxxx I would need a reserved seat at the Bedlam Bridge Club. :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 ...If you intent to take 3NT out, then you might as well bid 4♣ straight away... Rainer Herrmann Que? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 4 or 5♣ for me. I wld probably go with 5 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 4♣. Not ideal, but I don't have a mixed raise available and I'm afraid pard gets serious if I bid 3♥. I agree with Nuno. I don't really understand the 3H bidders. This would be a big overbid for me. 4C on the other hand will be a decent hand at this vulnerability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 ♥ Lurpoa ♥ That was an incredibly intelligent and useful post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 ...I don't really understand the 3H bidders. This would be a big overbid for me... We're a passed hand and incredible strong in support of clubs. Of course we want to give partner the strongest possible encouragement to move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJonson Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 I think that this is an interesting post (I don't care who the posters are). It's the kind of thing that happens every day. I would probably bid 5C maybe 4C against the 'heroes', and after 4H/5H (almost inevitable)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 We're a passed hand and incredible strong in support of clubs. Of course we want to give partner the strongest possible encouragement to move forward. I know you are a passed hand. Your support for Cs is good, not "incredible", and you have an aceless hand. Even has a passed hand you could have more and THAT for me would be a 3H bid, not this defenceless hand we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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