rduran1216 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 consider yourself in a simpler time. You are playing 1950's standard with negative doubles. [hv=pc=n&n=skj7hat53dq6ckj96&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1s3ddr4np5dp5hp]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Am I misreading this, or have I answered 1 Ace to Blackwood and heard partner sign off in 5♥? If so, it seems pretty normal to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I think OP is wondering about the Spade King being a surprise card. My guess is opener was planning for that finesse to be onside because of the 3D preempt. Therefore, we are still off 2 bullets. (AQTXXX KQJXX X X?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 As far as I know (my parents weren't even born yet), 4NT in 1950 was used to check if we don't miss 2 Aces (and nothing else). So 5♥ is a signoff. I'll pass. Oh btw, did they already play negative doubles? I thought Dbl should've been penalty... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Aye Aye Captain..."Pass" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Oh btw, did they already play negative doubles?No, but they played Sputnik doubles. So named by Al Roth I believe, although I don't think it was his idea originally. Not sure when "Sputnik" changed to "negative". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 No, but they played Sputnik doubles. So named by Al Roth I believe, although I don't think it was his idea originally. Not sure when "Sputnik" changed to "negative".As I recall, the two names were almost simultaneous. But, I only started playing in '60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 As I recall, the two names were almost simultaneous. But, I only started playing in '60.My understanding was that Roth named them almost immediately after the launch of Sputnik in '57, in order to mark the beginning of a "Space Age" in bridge. But you could be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Mystery solved: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_double Negative double preceeded Sputnik by more than 20 years; Then came Alvin and Toby's renaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Mystery solved: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_double Negative double preceeded Sputnik by more than 20 years; Then came Alvin and Toby's renaming.That's what I get for being born in 1970. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Mystery solved: http://en.wikipedia....Negative_double Negative double preceeded Sputnik by more than 20 years; Then came Alvin and Toby's renaming. I don't think that's what the Wikipedia article says. The aritcle says that:- Before about 1930, a "negative" double was a takeout double of an opening bid.- Between 1930 and 1957, the term "negative double" was unused.- After 1957, the terms "negative double" and "Sputnik double" were used to mean a takeout double of an overcall. Every source I have seen implies that before 1957 everybody played penalty doubles of overcalls. That is, Roth and Stone didn't rename an existing convention - they invented it, and then gave it a name that had previously been used for something else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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