Nu2Br Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Considering using Kennedy convention.Any downside?What is meaning of a 1D opening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 what is Kennedy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Using a convention name is a poor way of describing something as even the simplest conventions often have more than one interpretation. Could you provide a little more information perhaps on what you mean by the Kennedy convention? Perhaps you could go further and explain why you feel this convention is particularly suited for beginner and/or intermediate players. In general, it is good for beginners to use fewer conventions rather than more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 what is Kennedy?Could you provide a little more information perhaps on what you mean by the Kennedy convention?LMGTFYhttp://www.bridgeguys.com/Conventions/kennedy_system_of_bidding.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Is it a convention where you're killed making Texas? Mejor en español, es una convención en la que te conviertes en muerto después de Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 I think I take issue with the statement that there are no know variants. This sounds remarkably familiar - did one of the Kens not start a thread a while back about the benefits of Montreal relay? This seems to be a variant thereof. I am not sure what this has to do with a 1D opening though. This may be a case of what I said before, a convention name being used differently by different people, or it might just be a lack of understanding. The later examples in the BridgeGuys article also seem to be a little muddled, comparing the system of using a 1D relay over 1C with the alternative and quite different system of opening 1C with a 4 card major and 1D without. I think I still need to hear what the OP has in mind before giving any useful feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nu2Br Posted July 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Sorry for the anbiguity in my question. Kennedy is a convention used to determine if partner holds 4 Maj or 5 Maj. In response to 1C opening partner responds 1H/S for 5+ cards, 1D for 4 H/S, or 1N for less than 4 H/S. Often enables determnation of fit at lowest level. If opening is 1D then response is by prior agreement. Any real downside to using this?Any popular adreements for 1D opening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 I've heard the term Kennedy before and it looks very similar to Montreal Relay. This might be a regional distinction. I don't care for it. Its very difficult to untangle your suits after 1♣ - pass - 1♦ - overcall, and I don't think its worth it to give up a natural 1♦ response. Sorry to be blunt, but I don't know of any top pairs that play this, but it is played by zillions of club players in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Kennedy is a convention used to determine if partner holds 4 Maj or 5 Maj. In response to 1C opening partner responds 1H/S for 5+ cards, 1D for 4 H/S, or 1N for less than 4 H/S. Often enables determnation of fit at lowest level. If opening is 1D then response is by prior agreement. You're looking for this thread: Montreal Relay. This answer was presented to you courtesy of the BBF Systems Index. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 LMGTFYhttp://www.bridgeguys.com/Conventions/kennedy_system_of_bidding.html Bbradley, you missed the point entirely. If a Polish guy told you his 2♦ cuebid of your 1♦ opening was "Michaels" you might google that and figure that it means he has spades and hearts. You would be wrong 50% of the time, as in Poland "Michaels" means "Spades and another". Names alone are not a good description of a convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Sorry for the anbiguity in my question. Kennedy is a convention used to determine if partner holds 4 Maj or 5 Maj. In response to 1C opening partner responds 1H/S for 5+ cards, 1D for 4 H/S, or 1N for less than 4 H/S. Often enables determnation of fit at lowest level. If opening is 1D then response is by prior agreement. Any real downside to using this?Any popular adreements for 1D opening?There are a number of downsides to using this. if you are a genuine beginner then the biggest downside is probably that you are using a codified method rather than familiarising yourself with the good and bad points of natural bidding. On a more technical level the method has some issues in competition and requires some discussion about follow-ups when the ops make a nuisance of themselves. You can improve it somewhat by utilising the 1D response a little more than simply promising a 4 card major so as not to overload the 1NT response which otherwise has to cover alot of hand types. There are 2 basic options for using a 1D opening in systems like this. The most common is to simply play standard but have the 1D opening promise 4, or in some systems even 5, cards. So 1M responses are 4+ and you sort out the 5-3 fits just the same as all the other natural bidders. The alternative is something I touched on earlier, to play a 1D opening as denying a 4 card major and not promising diamonds. There are further complications to playing highly nebulous openings of this type. Overall, my suggestion for any beginner would be to stick with natural responses until they have a good level of feeling for them and are well into being intermediate. If wanting to play a more complex variation after that then I would suggest trying transfer Walsh responses before this method, because then at least you have a suit in play before the opps can mess things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Is it a convention where you're killed making Texas? Mejor en español, es una convención en la que te conviertes en muerto después de Texas.Poor taste in either language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nu2Br Posted July 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Thanks (to some of you) for the informative replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 If a Polish guy told you his 2♦ cuebid of your 1♦ opening was "Michaels" you might google that and figure that it means he has spades and hearts. You would be wrong 50% of the time, as in Poland "Michaels" means "Spades and another". Names alone are not a good description of a convention. No, but people sometimes use them, and sometimes opponents accept this as an explanation. Anyway, people who play a convention but apply to it the name of some other convention are at fault, so it doesn't really matter what percent of the time you are wrong. You will be protected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 You will be protected. By the hoard of tournament directors constantly running around in BBO's main bridge club? LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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