Flem72 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 IMPS, both red RHO opens gambling 3N as first to act. You hold: AxAKQxxx x Kxxx What u call? Regards and Happy Trails, Scott NeedhamBoulder, Colorado, USA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 4♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 4♥?ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Yes, 4H leaves you much better placed than double in case the opponents compete to 5D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I think I would want to know their definition of Gambling 3NT ---whether it shows or denies an outside ACE or King. Have never been one to assume it means the same thing to others that it used to mean to us when we played it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Well his suit should be clear based on your specific high card holdings so to protect the ♣K you should call 6♦ EDIT: oops I thought partner opened 3NT. Having realized it is your call after RHOs 3NT call I think you are screwed into trying 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tataie Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 X.If they are to bid 5♦ they will do it even if you x or bid 4♥.The danger is to lose a slam since 4♥ is to be bid with hands not always strong but with a good quality ♥ suit.You only need ♣Axxxx to have a chance in 6.With AQxxx♣ in front the slam gets almost cold.If you bid 4♥ your pd will never know when you do it on this hand or with ♠xx ♥AQJxxxxx ♦x ♣xx. Beside that you conserve the chance to play 3ntx when his pd has a hand with who might stay in x.X for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 4♥. Double, the way I play it, promises tolerance for spades, and this hand is not strong enough to risk the 5 level - 4 may not be a picnic if we catch partner with the wrong hand, but I'm always going to bid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I think I would want to know their definition of Gambling 3NT ---whether it shows or denies an outside ACE or King. Have never been one to assume it means the same thing to others that it used to mean to us when we played it. Doesn't matter does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I have an easy 4♥ bid, so I do it. Not going to mess this up with a dbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Doesn't matter does it?He probably wants to know if there is any chance of defending 3N... If it shows an outside A/K, then trying to defend 3N has some merit, especially if the opponents tend to sit these things out -- LHO will pass "hoping" partner has a heart card, and RHO will pass hoping the same thing. It isn't likely, but certainly a consideration if it shows an outside card. I don't see any reason to complicate our decision of a large number of diamonds though. I'd bid 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted July 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 OK, pretty quick and pretty decisive concensus. Now I want to know: Do you 4H bidders think it is close? What kind of hand would be a min for the call? How do you evaluate the risk involved in this position? is it a matter of the normal 'now or forever hold my peace' theory over preempts? would you take the same action over 3S, or 4m (not namyattish)? what about 5m? Most of us don't have much opportunity to think about high level preempts, or to act over them, and I'm looking to learn something.... Regards and Happy Trails, Scott NeedhamBoulder, Colorado, USA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJonson Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I didn't think 4H was close, which no doubt means I could go a few off on this or a slightly worse hand. This is not snap we are playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake501 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 May I have Unu over Unu? Treat 3NT as if it were 2NTUnu. 4C -> 4H stronger than immediate 4H.(Or if you will a Namyats in competition) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 I don't think it's close, it's all we can do actually. Dbl may put us in a bad place, passing is absurd (hoping to defend 3NT / letting opps bid their suit first / whatever reason). We have a good suit, an offensive hand, quite a lot of values and we are preempted. I'm afraid we might miss an easy ♣ slam, but the preempt takes away too much space to investigate properly. Without the ♥Q I'd probably bid 4♥ as well, you've got to do something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 May I have Unu over Unu? Treat 3NT as if it were 2NTUnu. 4C -> 4H stronger than immediate 4H.(Or if you will a Namyats in competition) Many play 'Brozel' here: 4♣ = both majors and better side clubs4♦ = both majors and better side diamonds I like the unusual / unusual / Namyats idea better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Many play 'Brozel' here: 4♣ = both majors and better side clubs4♦ = both majors and better side diamonds I like the unusual / unusual / Namyats idea better. We play 4♣ as a single suited hand too strong for a direct game bid (ie, 9-10 tricks in hand ish), and 4 diamonds as 5-5 in the majors, with double being general values with at least 3 cards in both majors. It's our same defense as over a 3m preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 You can also play, inter alia, 4C as both majors with equal or better hearts and 4D as both majors with better spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted July 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 I don't think it's close, it's all we can do actually.... you've got to do something. I guess I wasn't clear earlier: Also should've asked what would be a max for the call. For me the posters with the slam exploration tools are answering my questions -- maybe the ones in my head that didn't make it into the post. :blink: 4H; double then 5H; 4m as stronger offensive hand than 4H? Since posting I've been looking around. I suppose double must be reserved for the more balanced, truer takeout hand type; consequently, I really like the idea of 4C = very good offensive hand in a M, 4D = takeout with both Ms and 4M = can't stand to pass over the preempt. This hand is beginning to look more like a 4C call than a 4H call--and maybe without the HQ, it is a 4H call. Thanks for responses. Regards and Happy Trails, Scott NeedhamBoulder, Colorado, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Now I want to know: Do you 4H bidders think it is close? No, I do not think it is close at all. RHO has a long solid suit, we have a good unbalanced hand with shortness in their suit and a strong suit of our own. These are the types of hands where the total number of tricks (the number of tricks they can make plus the number of tricks we can take) can be very large. We do not know who can make what, but we definitely want to bid our hearts as quickly as possible. I would bid 4H if the spade ace was a small one. That might be pushing it, I would be interested in the opinions of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Trying for slam didn't occur to me. Yes we may have slam, and indeed, we might play 4H cold for slam, but it doesn't pay to get higher than 4H on a hand where you might go for 800 in 4H doubled. Give me Ax AKQxxx x AQxx and then I might start thinking about double. But even then partner needs at least both black kings plus a few hearts for slam to be good. Give him the perfectly fitting Kxxx xx xxx Kxxx and I think we'd prefer not to be in slam. You need hearts to split 3-2, which is a lot less likely now that RHO has 7+ diamonds. You also need RHO not to have an 8-card diamond suit otherwise you'd be immediately down on a trump promotion. And if you get all that, you still need either clubs 3-2 (which has become less likely even now that RHO needed to hold 2+ hearts) or a black suited squeeze. So to summarize, we'll be bidding 4H on hands that are quite a bit weaker as well as hands that are quite a bit stronger. The price we pay is that we occasionally go for a number or miss a good slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 X.If they are to bid 5♦ they will do it even if you x or bid 4♥.The danger is to lose a slam since 4♥ is to be bid with hands not always strong but with a good quality ♥ suit.You only need ♣Axxxx to have a chance in 6.With AQxxx♣ in front the slam gets almost cold.If you bid 4♥ your pd will never know when you do it on this hand or with ♠xx ♥AQJxxxxx ♦x ♣xx. Beside that you conserve the chance to play 3ntx when his pd has a hand with who might stay in x.X for me. If they sit on 3 NT DBL, they are probably making it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.