jillybean Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 1♣ (1♠) 2♥ (2♠)3♠ Do you play 3♠ asking for a stopper for nt, a ♥ raise or something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Stopper ask for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I play it as a heart raise but that may be wrong. You have 3♥ and 4♥ as raises so you could play 3♠ as asking for a stopper (you could even play it as both...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I think if 2H was g.f., we don't need 3S to check for a stopper. Whatever our continuation which might deny a heart fit, partner will know whether she has a spade stopper and whether it might be appropriate to show it. So, if 2H was G.F, 3S would show shortness and a fit in hearts but deny extra strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted July 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I think if 2H was g.f., we don't need 3S to check for a stopper. Whatever our continuation which might deny a heart fit, partner will know whether she has a spade stopper and whether it might be appropriate to show it. So, if 2H was G.F, 3S would show shortness and a fit in hearts but deny extra strength.How would you show a spade heart fit and slam interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 How would you show a spade fit and slam interest?If I had a spade fit with the opponents? I don't know. But, if you meant hearts, I can simply set hearts as trump at the 3-level by bidding them if 2H by pard was g.f. Now pard can cue as a courtesy with a really nice G.F. or can bid 3NT artificial to show a huge responding hand which is interested in slam opposite routine opening 1M bids with heart support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 This needs multiple possible meanings assigned by priority. The first priority is as a 3NT stopper ask. The second priority is a spade cue bid with slam interest and will need to be clarified by the 3♠ caller. This clarification is straight forward over 3NT but could get tricky over whatever call responder has to make when he doesnt have a ♠ stopper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 Even though I play 2/1, in competition this does not apply and so 2♥ is simply competitive, forcing for one round but not game forcing. This means that a heart raise is competing, non-forcing and not appropriate for a slam try. When discussing the meaning of 3♠ you have to include the other options that are available. Generally a non-fitting weak notrump hand is going to pass. What does double mean? What are 2NT and 3NT? The answers to these questions should help define 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 This needs multiple possible meanings assigned by priority. The first priority is as a 3NT stopper ask. The second priority is a spade cue bid with slam interest and will need to be clarified by the 3♠ caller. This clarification is straight forward over 3NT but could get tricky over whatever call responder has to make when he doesnt have a ♠ stopper. I agree with this, but would add in a very good hand with clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 11, 2011 Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 We play a heart fit. All hands with interest in no trumps but needing more information start with a takeout double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted July 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 We currently play1♣ (1♠) 2♥ (2♠) note 2♥ is f1r, not gf3♠ asking for a spade stopper, could be an advanced cue in support of hearts.2N (11-13 showing a spade stopper)3N (14+ showing a spade stopper)X undefined, we play support doubles through 2♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 We currently play1♣ (1♠) 2♥ (2♠) note 2♥ is f1r, not gf3♠ asking for a spade stopper, could be an advanced cue in support of hearts.2N (11-13 showing a spade stopper)3N (14+ showing a spade stopper)X undefined, we play support doubles through 2♥In general, IMO when the other side has bid and raised a suit, we have found very limited need to have 3 different ways of probing for (or placing us in) a notrump contract; and leaving another call undefined. There must be more frequently valuable tools for all that useful space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 With my favorite partner, we would have played X support, 2NT good/bad, 3H 'good', 3S stopper-asking, 3NT to play, but in the more typical arrangement where X isn't support after 2S, you have a variety of choices what hands to put into the double. I don't really know what is most common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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