mike777 Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 http://www.bridgewinners.com/index.php/component/content/article/2-latest-news/954-levin-weinstein-joining-nickell-in-2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Well, that's a nice half-story. So where's the other half - what's happening with Hamman and Zia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Exactly my thoughts. Well, not exactly, I thought 'Wow, they fired H&Z!'. Some I've talked to say it's because Zia is more like a 'solo' artist and apparently that's not well regarded in sponsored teams. Some just said they were blamed for not reaching the BB. It'd be nice to know the opinion of people in the know... of people close to Hamman... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Well, that's a nice half-story. So where's the other half - what's happening with Hamman and Zia?Actually I was thinking one third of a story - what's happening with team Fleisher? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Actually I was thinking one third of a story - what's happening with team Fleisher? Kamil and Fleisher commented in the link provided by the OP, congratulating Levin/Weinstein. They will have to find another pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Exactly my thoughts. Well, not exactly, I thought 'Wow, they fired H&Z!'. Some I've talked to say it's because Zia is more like a 'solo' artist and apparently that's not well regarded in sponsored teams. Some just said they were blamed for not reaching the BB. It'd be nice to know the opinion of people in the know... of people close to Hamman... ;) The Nickell team which had been so dominant was slowly declining (likely due to tougher competition), and had a disastrous 2010...for the first time in their history winning no nationals, and not winning the trials or world championships (that said, they were 2nd in the Rosenblum). This year they haven't won anything, including not qualifying for the bermuda bowl for the first time in forever. I don't think it's about anything like Zia being a solo artist, it is simply that they haven't had good results and that always causes changes to be made, this is true of all teams in all sports. It was natural that it would be Levin and Weinstein as the replacements since they're so hot and probably in their prime right now. It was natural that the change would be made to the Hamman-Zia partnership since Meckwell are in or near their prime still, and one of the best pairs in the world (and just won the Europeans). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Kamil and Fleisher commented in the link provided by the OP, congratulating Levin/Weinstein. They will have to find another pair.Hamman-Zia obv? :P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 Jlall-655321 are considering offers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Is this Desperate Housewifes ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Is this Desperate Housewifes ? WCB, Lurpoa :)I trust that you and JLOGIC have resolved your differences :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Well, that's a nice half-story. So where's the other half - what's happening with Hamman and Zia? Actually I was thinking one third of a story - what's happening with team Fleisher?More questions came to mind than that, although the answers are none of my business ---but I like stuff that is none of my business. I wondered about the dynamic of having two top-flight players, each with independent means, on the same team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 I wondered about the dynamic of having two top-flight players, each with independent means, on the same team.Bridge players always hate to have superb teammates that come back with a great scorecard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Bridge players always hate to have superb teammates that come back with a great scorecard. It is the "independent means" that aguaH is commenting on. If you are not necessarily dependant on Bridge to earn a living, then your attitude to the team sponsor and paymaster may be a little different. It has nothing to do with being superb teammates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 It is the "independent means" that aguaH is commenting on. If you are not necessarily dependant on Bridge to earn a living, then your attitude to the team sponsor and paymaster may be a little different. It has nothing to do with being superb teammates. And this begs the question: If you are truly independently wealthy, why even bother with sponsors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 And this begs the question: If you are truly independently wealthy, why even bother with sponsors?Hmmm... arguably the best team in the world invites you to join them... maybe you initally decide you don't care whether it's a sponsor team, you just think it would be good to be part of the best team in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 And this begs the question: If you are truly independently wealthy, why even bother with sponsors? Good players, empathetic teammates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Hmmm... arguably the best team in the world invites you to join them... maybe you initally decide you don't care whether it's a sponsor team, you just think it would be good to be part of the best team in the world. I wasn't specifically referring to Nickell, or Diamond, though the example would apply to some, if not most of the players involved in past and recent editions of both teams. I just meant in general. Take six well-off players that just want to crush. They hire a coach/captain, and maybe a trainer. A team like this would dominate, much like the Blue Team did in the 60's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 And this begs the question: If you are truly independently wealthy, why even bother with sponsors? Sorry to go off-topic but this error is one of my pet peeves and it is hard to let it go by. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Sorry to go off-topic but this error is one of my pet peeves and it is hard to let it go by. Not sure why this is a pet peeve..... 'the very very wealthy dont have a sponsor period........ those who could use 200 or 500k or a few million do,,,,, -- I think those worth billions rarely play bridge with a sponser for pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Sorry to go off-topic but this error is one of my pet peeves and it is hard to let it go by. Continuing the off-topic, begging the question now means prompting the question (as well as the traditional meaning of assuming the answer in the argument). Prescriptive grammarians can cringe, but language evolves over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Continuing the off-topic, begging the question now means prompting the question (as well as the traditional meaning of assuming the answer in the argument). Prescriptive grammarians can cringe, but language evolves over time. I don't think it does. Perhaps the term is misused in that context, but nevertheless that is not its correct meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Continuing the off-topic, begging the question now means prompting the question (as well as the traditional meaning of assuming the answer in the argument). Prescriptive grammarians can cringe, but language evolves over time. I don't agree with the first sentence. The real meaning of the phrase is very difficult to express any other way. Is it really inevitable to lose a useful, efficient phrase to express something that can be expressed in quite a few different ways? When does one decide that an error is an alternative usage? Do we have to start accepting any number of spellings of "definite", "lead" when the meaning is "led", and all possible variant uses of "its" and "it's"? I don't think there should be an Académie anglais, but I also don't think that "anything goes" is the right approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Continuing the off-topic extravaganza bonanza, "their is noting wrong" gets 1,460 hits in google, in double quotes with that exact spelling, even though there is nothing wrong with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Great, the idiom police. I sympathize, because the phrase, "I could care less" has the same effect on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 "'Contact' is not a verb!" -- Nero Wolfe, explaining to Archie Goodwin why he is ripping pages out of his brand new Webster's New International Dictionary (pub. 1934) and burning them in the fireplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.