mgoetze Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa8653haqt6dakt2c&n=skt74hdj9cakqj975]133|200[/hv] South deals, EW vulnerable. Which contract would you land in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I think I would land in 6S. Here is a possible start: 1S - 2C2H - 2S 3D - 3H4C (serious slam interest, and must be a void since shortness was already known) - 5H6C (two but no spade queen) - 6S North is surely thinking about 7C but doesn't know that south is this powerful. He also has no way to involve south as this point, since that would risk having south bid 7S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I think I would land in 6S. This surprises me a little. Might your auction start 1♠ - 2♣? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Sorry Phil, added an auction to my post not knowing that you had quoted me. The auction I gave is in what I consider "standard" 2/1, not my own system. Playing with my regular partner north could relay and find Axxxx Axxx AKxx - but no diamond queen, with this 5440 shape we don't have room to find out about the heart queen. Not to say that I would relay with the north hand btw, I would not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Our auction would be: 1♠-3♣ (rock crusher with ♣, or 5+ good ♣, 4+ decent spades, opening hand +)3♦(non minimum, ♦)-4♥(the ♠/♣ type, void ♥, exclusion with ♠ as trumps)5♣(2 w/o)-5♥6♦-? Now 6♠ and 7♣ are both in the frame. 6♠ is known to be laydown without 4 trumps offside, you know partner has ♠A(J/x)xxx plus the ♦AK(Q/x)x with maybe a 5th one. If he has the Q♦ or the spades come in 7♣ is laydown assuming the clubs run. ♥AK will also do you, a 5th diamond also gives you chances, the 10♦ does too. Depends if you want to gamble, but realistically 7♣ is close to 50:50 if partner has the worst possible hand, so I think I'd probably bid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Depends if you want to gamble, but realistically 7♣ is close to 50:50 if partner has the worst possible hand, so I think I'd probably bid it. And your partner would surely correct to 7♠, wouldn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flameous Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Playing natural, I'd bid 3♣ fitjump and follow it with 6♣ bid. I'd hope partner gets the idea. With some strong club action: 1♣ - 1♦ (16+ without primary ♦ unless GF, 0-6 or 12+)2♠ - 2NT (16-18, singlesuited with spades or 544, relay)3NT - 4♣ (5440, relay)4NT - 5♣ (12 AKQ pts, relay)5♦ - 5♥ (Odd nbr of kings, relay)5NT - ? (1/3 in spades, 0/2 in hearts) So now you know of Axxxx AKxx AQxx or red suits other way around. No idea about Js or tens though. I guess I'd pick 6NT as I got it rightsided :PAnd of course if I needed the swing, I'd go for 7NT, not any suit contract. With all the possible squeeze chances, it might be the overall winner to bid anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 And your partner would surely correct to 7♠, wouldn't he?Actually not in this case, it's not that uncommon to bid like this if the K/Q♠ are cards I'd like to know about for a club contract, 7♣ is a command not a suggestion, I have taken command of the auction, I may be lying and not have long spades at all if I have say Axx, void, xx, 8 solid I'd bid like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa8653haqt6dakt2c&n=skt74hdj9cakqj975]133|200[/hv] South deals, EW vulnerable. Which contract would you land in?1S - Jac2NT ( modified for opener to show minimum, extras, balanced, shortness ) 3H!( ♣-shortness w/"extras" ) - 4C! ( ♣Ace )4D ( mixed cue ) - 4H ( mixed cue )5NT ( GSF; thinking the ♥-cue was the K ) - 6S ( only have 1 of 3 top honors ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Probably end up in 6♠, likely with some mix-ups in between LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nige1 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa8653haqt6dakt2c&n=skt74hdj9cakqj975]133|200|mgoetze wrote South deals, EW vulnerable. Which contract would you land in?[/hv] Depends if you want to gamble, but realistically 7♣ is close to 50:50 if partner has the worst possible hand, so I think I'd probably bid it. And your partner would surely correct to 7♠, wouldn't he? If, somehow, South manages to reach 7♠, perhaps North can correct to 7N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa8653haqt6dakt2c&n=skt74hdj9cakqj975]133|200|mgoetze wrote South deals, EW vulnerable. Which contract would you land in?[/hv] If, somehow, South manages to reach 7♠, perhaps North can correct to 7N?And will of course find spades 2-2 with the honours split, clubs 5-1 and the diamond finesse failing :) But yes, is an obvious correction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 The South hand looks like an upgrade to 18+ for me...so 1C = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any... - 1H = 4+ spades, GF1S = relay, usually 18+... - 2H = 4 spades, 5+ clubs2S = relay... - 4C = 7+ clubs, heart void, extras4D = relay... - 4NT = 4 controls5NT = Q ask... - 6D = CQ, not DQ6S = SQ?... - P = sorry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Hi, lets see, we play a 2/1 system, without a lot of gadgets, that are consideredstandard. 1S - 2NT (1)4C (2) - 5H (3)6C (4) - 6S (5) (1) Jacoby, 3H as a splinter would be nice, but we play 3H in this seq. as showing a inv. strength single suiter, we dont promise 4 cards, which would help later(2) Shortage, more than min.(3) a Void, we dont play Voidwood, the club shortage is not nice, but we have a running suit and at least 4 discards(4) First round control , it would be great to have 5NT in this seq. as RKCB(5) nothing more to add With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 I'd like to get to 7C, but I'm pretty certain I'd end in 6S.Looking at the North hand opposite a 1S opening he can see a very easy route to 7S opposite AAQ so will probably go the route that can find out if that is opposite. This will have the bonus side effect of playing in spades opposite, say, AQxxx Ax Kxxx xx when you want partner to declare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 I'd end up in 6♠, all keys but <10 trumps missing the Q. 7♣ is great because South has ♦T, a card I can't find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohitz Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) The play was very interesting too. In one of the SFs, Lev and Pepsi reached 7S on a uncontested auction. Pepsi's LHO, Sundarram led small spade, small, Queen, Ace. Pepsi played second round of spade, when the nine appeared. What would you play? If it matters, Lev-Pepsi were 14 ahead at the end of first 14 bd segment. This was the 5th board of the 2nd and last segment and the first 4 boards at your table were nothing special. Btw, Zia commentating for the first time on BBO said he has a rule "Never lead a trump against grand slam"! EDIT: Sorry for the hijack :) Edited July 4, 2011 by mohitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted July 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Ah, I was watching the 7♠ table in the other match, where the play was not so interesting. Funny how half the tables got to 7♠ uncontested, with noone here admitting they would end up there. ;) Another thing I remember about this hand was that 7♣ was on despite a 5-1 trump break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Rather interesting development, as I would bid this. Opener: 1♠Responder: 2♣ (real clubs or a spade fit)Opener: 2♥Responder: 2♠ (spades agreed)Opener: 2NT (not two of the top three spades)Responder: 3♣ (two of the top three clubs)Opener: 3♦ (first or second round control) At this point, Responder might blast Exclusion or RKCB, take control, and place this in 7♣. Alternatively... Responder: 3NT?!?! Responder will have just denied any heart honor higher than the Jack, cannot have a diamond higher than the Queen, and has denied two of the top three spades, and yet he has shown serious slam interest. With just the spade King and all three top clubs, he could bid 4♣. So, clubs must be a trick source. Opener could try 4♦ (no club card obviously but better than simple control in diamonds), and NOW Responder could take control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flameous Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Why would you want to end up at 7♣?Isn't it strictly worse than 7NT? I counted some odds and it seems that with the info I had in my auction, I should bid 7NT (assuming other table is at least in 6 a good part of the time)Half the time partner has AK AQ in reds, when I'm in a 70% slam. Opposite just AQ AK I'm in about 40% slam with the extra chance of squeeze in spades and a red suit. Could also have ♠J to make it 52%. Add ♦T and I'm again in 70% slam. If clubs were declared from the same side as NT, it might be the winner cause I'd have the extra chance of having ♥AQJ for ruffing finesse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Why would you want to end up at 7♣?Isn't it strictly worse than 7NT?Why? You can ruff out ♥Kxx in 7♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flameous Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 In 7NT you are not doomed if clubs are 5-1/6-0 cause spades can still break. But yeah, I guess it's quite close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted July 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 In 7NT you are not doomed if clubs are 5-1/6-0 cause spades can still break. But yeah, I guess it's quite close. Doomed? [hv=pc=n&s=sa8653haqt6dakt2c&w=s92hkjdq865ct8642&n=skt74hdj9cakqj975&e=sqjh9875432d743c3]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 I'm not sure this is a great example, but yes it can make without the clubs, but is it better than 7♣. You have to read this one too, it might not be unreasonable to simply take the diamond finesse when W painlessly pitches 2 diamonds. You also may (but prob won't) get the spades wrong. Is getting a layout where you can make 7N but not 7♣ more likely than ♥Kxx either side with the ♦ finesse wrong for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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