Tataie Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 [hv=pc=n&w=skt964hjt6dj3cq32&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=p1d2cp3cdp]133|200[/hv]Team match Your call ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 4♠. At MP's with certain partners, I might restrain myself to 3♠. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I think 4♠ is probably right, but 3S is ok too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tataie Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 It seem I didnt make myself clear :rolleyes: There are obviously two choices .. 3♠ or 4♠.I presume its not insignifiant which one you make since the difference between them is rather huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 3♠. I am not going to hang partner for prebalancing, as he is the one short in clubs. Also, since we are nonvul, there is not nearly as much of a premium on bidding game (assuming that this is IMPs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 3♠, I don't want to ruin partner if they've made an offshape double based on point count/texture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 3♠. I am not going to hang partner for prebalancing, as he is the one short in clubs. Also, since we are nonvul, there is not nearly as much of a premium on bidding game (assuming that this is IMPs). We are vul, the opponents are not, so there is a big premium for game. I think you misread this. This isn't a 'pre-balance'. Partner is committing this to the 3 level and heard our pass. There is no safety, and partner should not do this with a 4441 15 count. Competing for the partial is crazy at IMPs with a hand of this sort, since he is offering up a number against their 130. I would expect something like: AQxx AQxx AQxx x. We have a 5th spade, a working ♥JT, and even the ♦J which might be an important card. This is a clear 4♠ call. I'd like to know the form of scoring, because at MPs, this is closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 4♠ for sure. If partner can't count on us to bid game with this hand, when can he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tataie Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Sorry..IMP..TM more exactly..Ill edit my first post to correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I play that a double of 2C shows 4+ spades and is ambiguous about hearts. Using these methods, I would double 2C and be done with it. If partner then doubles 3C I can comfortably bid 3S. I would not double playing standard methods. Now it is a bit of a guess. If partner has a 3-card spade suit (3352, 3451, etc) then 3S is probably high enough or maybe already too high. If partner has 4 spades then we may well have a very good game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I think this is a clear 4♠ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I would bid 4♠ but using standard methods the situation is very unsatisfactory. Both myself and partner have quite a wide range and there is no space to do anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 We haven't promised any values at all and partner Doubles for takeout at 3-level V vs NV. What else do we need to bid 4♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 We haven't promised any values at all and partner Doubles for takeout at 3-level V vs NV. What else do we need to bid 4♠? A different black queen? Both 3♠ and 4♠ have merits. If being vulnerable gives partner a better hand for this double than 15 I guess 4♠ is fine. But if partner is just competing and may have some 15 and occasionally 14 and even 13 then 3♠ is enough.The club Q looks so wasted and values figure to be with RHO for the overcall, so it is not clear. I think I'd go with 3♠ unless I'm craving for imp's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 A different black queen? Both 3♠ and 4♠ have merits. If being vulnerable gives partner a better hand for this double than 15 I guess 4♠ is fine. But if partner is just competing and may have some 15 and occasionally 14 and even 13 then 3♠ is enough.The club Q looks so wasted and values figure to be with RHO for the overcall, so it is not clear. I think I'd go with 3♠ unless I'm craving for imp's. Partner is certainly not just competing. We are vulnerable at imps, there is no point in sacrificing against 3♣. He noticed our pass and still invites us to be game with a suitable hand. In context, we do have a suitable hand. So 4♠ it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 At first glance it looked like a 3♠ bid, but a FTL evaluation requires only 15 working hcp from pard for game and I think that's expectable. So 4♠. Of course, if pard comes up with a doubleton club, this is gonna look silly :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 4S wtp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 4♠, we may have some work to do during play but we are likely to make it. And even if it is not makeable, at these colors they may think we are making this and save. 3♠ is very small target imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tataie Posted July 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Full deal here http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/46752-to-be-or-not-to-be/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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