mgoetze Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 [hv=pc=n&w=skj9hj6543d5ca754&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=1d]133|200[/hv] On vugraph, one expert commented, "seems like clear action, 1♥ or even double." Another claimed, "the majority of experts would pass." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 advertising a rotten suit has a ton of problemsassociated with it--1. huge penalties when opps can manage x2. partner can almost never lead properly when they lead your "suit".3. convincing p it is a better idea to lead your"suit" than theirs. These risks are taken hoping p has a big fit with your suit and your side can win the bidding. It is not "wrong" to bid 1h (forget X since pmaking a penalty pass would be umm err damagingto the future existence of the partnership) onany given hand but it is anti %. If you need a top at MP or are behind at IMPS overcalling 1h can be just what the doctor ordered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Pass for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Is this imps? What's the vulnerability? Think most experts would pass.1♥???? Bad suit, bad hand.Double???? Only 8 points outside of the suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Is this imps? What's the vulnerability? Check the subtitle and the diagram. Think most experts would pass. Well, you see, I was hoping for input from actual experts, in order to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 If this is immediate action hand, what could possibly be left for reopening?6 points? 7? Yes it has a single in their suit, but that's likely anticipated by partner.He, too, tries for a major contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Auto 1♥ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Why would we ever want a heart lead? my overcalls are made for reasons. Jxxxx and 9 HC is not a reason. Its closer to double than it is to 1H for me, but there's no way I'm punishing my partner, who could either 1) have not much and be on lead against NT or spades or 2) have an opening hand and think game is clear with a scattered 12 count and 3 hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Clear 1H overcall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I feel old :ph34r: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I'd have a hard time finding cats that would drag in this hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 [Partner could] have an opening hand and think game is clear with a scattered 12 count and 3 hearts. Well I think we all know that if you are overcalling on this kind of hand then you ought to let partner in on the secret. Even Lurpoa would agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Clear pass imo, those Jacks don't improve the hand much, the suit is poor, I'm minimum, 1♥ has no preemptive effect whatsoever,... Give me Kxx-xxxxx-x-AKxx instead and I'll overcall (offensive hand, good defense, 4 controls). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Well I think we all know that if you are overcalling on this kind of hand then you ought to let partner in on the secret. Even Lurpoa would agree. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tataie Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Insta pass.If I get drunk I might x.1♥ or 1♠ are equally good :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Interestingly enough, game was on opposite 3 hearts and a scattered 1210 count. [hv=pc=n&s=sqt83h97dakt96ck9&w=skj9hj6543d5ca754&n=sa742hkq2d872c632&e=s65hat8dqj43cqjt8]399|300[/hv] Out of 16 tables, only Ventin-Wrang got to a heart contract. 3♥x= at -730 was good for 12 IMPs in the Butler. All the other tables had NS playing for scores between +110 and -200 (one in 3♠, one in 1NT, the rest in 2♠). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 By the way, I welcome aguahombre to the dark side. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 I feel old :ph34r: You and Phil gotto stop doing that to me :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Interestingly enough, game was on opposite 3 hearts and a scattered 1210 count. [hv=pc=n&s=sqt83h97dakt96ck9&w=skj9hj6543d5ca754&n=sa742hkq2d872c632&e=s65hat8dqj43cqjt8]399|300[/hv] Out of 16 tables, only Ventin-Wrang got to a heart contract. 3♥x= at -730 was good for 12 IMPs in the Butler. All the other tables had NS playing for scores between +110 and -200 (one in 3♠, one in 1NT, the rest in 2♠). all it takes is 5 cards being on side. Shooting for 3h on a hand like this is asinine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Well, you see, I was hoping for input from actual experts, in order to find out. :) :) :)Sorry to disappoint you, mgoetze, but IMO _P = 10, _X = 8, 1♥ = 7, 2♥ = 2. You don't expect to win the auction often. So the main questions to answer about an overcall are... Does it jam opponents' auction? NoWill partner end up on lead and do you want a ♥ lead (against 3N, say)? Not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 On vugraph, one expert commented, "seems like clear action, 1♥ or even double." Another claimed, "the majority of experts would pass."Who were the experts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 2♥http://www.one4pets.com/pictures/cats/shocked-bengal-kitten.jpg 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 I honestly cannot imagine passing. AM very surprised by the poll. However most of the best players on the forum don't seem to have voted, where is jlall, hanp, mfa etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Who were the experts? "Clear action" was Walter Johnson, "majority pass" was Glen Ashton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGF_Flame Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I think it depend on the vul, I would pass for sure if I'm vul, but if not vul, I am close to bidding (give me the 98 of heart and i'd bid 1H with confident) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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