Yet another What Is This Double

[Siegmund]

An auction:

 

1NT - (2H) - 2NT - (P)

3C - (3H) - P - (P)

X

 

1NT=15-17

2H = Cappelletti

2NT= Lebensohl (so 3C forced.)

 

Clearly "bid your suit now, p"? Clearly penalty? Just look at your own cards and try to guess what partner is trying to do?

[mohitz]

I voted double to be pure takeout but responder can pass obviously. If my partner bid this, I would expect him to have support for both the minors, say 3244 or 22(45) or maybe 3145 if its our style to bid 1N with those.

[Phil]

Double is 100% penalty. It doesn't consult responder, nor is it some sort of 'takeout'. Responder could have competed himself, or opener could have bid 4♣ (p/c)

[whereagles]

Pard seems to have a competitive hand with a minor, so take-out doesn't make much sense. But pure penalty doesn't make sense either because unless LHO is nuts, opener is gonna have like ♥KQJx once on a blue moon. So "optional/competitive" seems to be the most sensible meaning. I'd say something like

 

KJx

Kxx

Kxx

AQxx

 

give or take a card.

[mgoetze]

Right, responder had a natural 2♠ available so his 2NT showed clubs or diamonds. As Phil said, if opener wanted to compete to 4m he could just bid 4♣.

 

However, I might be understanding if partner pulls to 4m with a void. Depends whether we get a good result. ;)

 

Congratulations to whereagles on finding a hand where pass is really obvious.

[Free]

Pure penalty imo for several reasons. Responder has already shown his type of hand (only the minor suit is unknown), Opener could've bid something to scramble into a decent spot (3♠ or 4♣), and Double of a weird bid is penalty (why didn't LHO bid 3♥ immediately?).

[gwnn]

Isn't

 

2♦*-(3♣)-X

*-multi

 

generally played also as penalty?

 

and I know it's the same auction but I think it's at least a little similar :)

[han]

Pure penalty.

 

And gwnn's auction too.

[peachy]

The Dbl is under their trump, thus usually takeout. But looking at the auction as a whole, I think it is penalty.

[Siegmund]

It came up playing with a GIB in a Free Express game (not a robot game, where you can mouseover the bid before you make it and see what GIB is going to interpret it as.)

 

I made what I thought had to be a penalty double, and GIB announced it as takeout, and duly ran, turning +300 into -1100.

 

It did not help that GIB had lebensohled with 3-0-5-5. It DID have a heart void, but QJxxx opposite xx doesn't play well at the 4-level with 20HCP between you, six of mine wasted in hearts.

I posted the thread mostly to see if I should post it as a system bug in the GIB forum.

[Lurpoa]

An auction:

 

1NT - (2H) - 2NT - (P)

3C - (3H) - P - (P)

X

 

1NT=15-17

2H = Cappelletti

2NT= Lebensohl (so 3C forced.)

 

Clearly "bid your suit now, p"? Clearly penalty? Just look at your own cards and try to guess what partner is trying to do?

 

 

 

 

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I know,

 

I keep repeating myself, but you need to agree on this sequence with your partner. There are always pro's and cons.

 

partner told he wanted to compete at the 3level. So he should have some values. Without agreement, this double seems to be for penalty. And for MPs I would prefer to play it like that.

 

But if this is for IMPS, and sitting in front of the 3♥, why would I risk this double....how frequent would that be ? So would prefer to have a further competitive double here......