mtvesuvius Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 All of these hands are actual hands I played yesterday. How would you bid them playing a reasonably standard 2/1, and if you'd like, how would you bid them in your favorite system? [hv=pc=n&s=sk74haq954djcakj6&n=saq9652hj3dat53cq]133|200[/hv]Dealer: SouthVul: N-S onlyOpponents Pass Throughout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 1♥-1♠3♣-3♦3♠-4NT5♦-5NT6♣-7♠ When partner shows the ♣K you get excited and bid 7. You know partner holds a great hand (in HCP's) and an excellent distribution (3514 or 3505) so 13 tricks are not that hard to count. Mind you, if you want to play it safe you'd stay in six since partner didn't show the ♥K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 1♥-1♠2♣-2♦3♠-4♦4♥-4N5♣-5N6♣-7♠ Very similar to Hanoi, but we play non GF 4SF, hence the 3♠ jump and play the keycard responses the other way round. You can picture Kxx, Axxxx, x, AKxx and can add quacks to taste, so appears at worst you just have to ruff 2 diamonds in dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Neither 2C or 3C strikes me as unreasonable with the south hand. Both should get you to 7S as long as north asks for keycards. 1H - 1S2C - 2D3S - 4D (cue setting spades as trump)4H - 4NT5D - 5NT6C - 7S I notice I have the same auction as cyberyeti, who believes that 0314 is standard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 1♥ - 1♠2♣ - 2♦ (Gazzilli)2♠ - 4♣ (Splinter)4♦ - 4♥ (LTTC)4NT - 5♠5NT - 6♠ (No kings) Oops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sk74haq954djcakj6&n=saq9652hj3dat53cq]133|300|mtvesuvius asks...All of these hands are actual hands I played yesterday. How would you bid them playing a reasonably standard 2/1, and if you'd like, how would you bid them in your favorite system?Dealer: South Vul: N-S only Opponents Pass Throughout IMO, similar to mgoetze,1♥ - 1♠2♣ - 2♦ Gazzilli2♠ - 4♣ Splinter4N - 5♠ RKC5N - 6♠ No kingsDelighted. :) Don't mind missing the (good) grand [/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 From the diagram (which is stupidly tiny btw - what's with that?) I originally thought North was dealer since he's highlighted. You do get to pick the dealer/vul at the start of the hand diagram. With North dealer it was easy - anyway, here's my attempt with South dealer. 1H - 1S3C (nat 18-22) - 3D (4sf)3S (3 spades) - 4C (cue)4D (cue) and now North knows South is 3514 (or possibly 3505)............4NT (RKC)5C (0 or 3) - 5NT (ask kings)6C (CK or DK&HK) - 7S North can see 13 winners no matter which combination of kings South has - either ruff 2 diamonds, or throw the diamonds on the CA, CK. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Since you asked it in my fav system, here it goes 1♥ 1♠2♣ 2♦3♠ 4NT5♣ 7♠ 2♠ = 3 cards, shows lots of extras in my pet system (17 or bad 18). North can now take charge, as he knows his ace of diamonds has a singleton across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 I do not really play 2/1 so take this with a pinch of salt against the 3 above...1H - 1S2C - 3S4D - 4NT5D - 5NT6C - 6H (may as well check for HK as 7NT would then be better)6S - 7S My system...1H = 10-17, 5+ hearts, unbal... - 1S = INV+ relay2D = max, 4+ clubs, GF... - 2H = relay2NT = 5 hearts, 4 clubs... - 3C = relay4D = 3514, 6 controls... - 4H = relay5D = S, H and C controls, no diamond control... - 5H = relay6C = 2 of top 3 in H and C, 1 of top 3 in S... - 7S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 1♥-1♠3♣-3♦3♠-4NT5♦-5NT6♣-7♠ When partner shows the ♣K you get excited and bid 7. You know partner holds a great hand (in HCP's) and an excellent distribution (3514 or 3505) so 13 tricks are not that hard to count. Mind you, if you want to play it safe you'd stay in six since partner didn't show the ♥K. same except 5c= 0-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 since when does 1♦-1♠-3♣-3♦-3♠ promise 3 spades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxhong Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 1H 1S2C 2S(gf, natural, 5+S)3S(extra value, natural) 4D(even number of KC, cue DA)4H(cue HA) 4N(cue SQ)5C(cue CA) 5N(no cuebids, 6+ S)6C(cue CK) 7S(now CQ is good) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Once again I was South, and I thought this was an interesting problem... I don't think it's clear what to bid over 1♠, but I decided to go with 3♣. Over 3♣, I don't see why North would rebid 3♦ and not 3♠, and I think people bidding 3♦ are resulting quite a bit. Anyway, partner bid 3♠, and I felt compelled to do more than 4♠, but figured anything would still be patterning out looking for the best game. I settled for a 4♠ call, partner keycarded, I showed 3, he asked for kings, I showed the ♣K, and he bid a slow 6♠, effectively barring me from reconsidering my decision and blaming myself for not bidding differently :) So our full auction was: 1♥-1♠3♣-3♠4♠-4N5♦-5N6♣-6♠AP On this auction, could I not have a hand like Kx AQxxx Qx AKxx, or some other hand with Kx♠? Partner was worried about bad trump splits, and being unable to ruff all his diamonds, or be able to pitch them. Obviously he should bid 6♥ as a last try, but still, I think it's tough to reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Once again I was South, and I thought this was an interesting problem... I don't think it's clear what to bid over 1♠, but I decided to go with 3♣. Over 3♣, I don't see why North would rebid 3♦ and not 3♠, and I think people bidding 3♦ are resulting quite a bit. Anyway, partner bid 3♠, and I felt compelled to do more than 4♠, but figured anything would still be patterning out looking for the best game. I settled for a 4♠ call, partner keycarded, I showed 3, he asked for kings, I showed the ♣K, and he bid a slow 6♠, effectively barring me from reconsidering my decision and blaming myself for not bidding differently :) So our full auction was: 1♥-1♠3♣-3♠4♠-4N5♦-5N6♣-6♠AP On this auction, could I not have a hand like Kx AQxxx Qx AKxx, or some other hand with Kx♠? Partner was worried about bad trump splits, and being unable to ruff all his diamonds, or be able to pitch them. Obviously he should bid 6♥ as a last try, but still, I think it's tough to reach. I'm not sure why I wouldn't bid 3C over 1S with this good hand as Kxx support increases the value of our hand. Anyway I would have also started out with 1H-1S-3C-3S and would have followed it up with 4D which pretty much shows a 3514 shape (still can be 2524 if the doubleton spade was like AK or AQ and a stronger hand or whatever) as I would raise 3S to 4S with other 2524 hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Once again I was South, and I thought this was an interesting problem... I don't think it's clear what to bid over 1♠, but I decided to go with 3♣. Over 3♣, I don't see why North would rebid 3♦ and not 3♠, and I think people bidding 3♦ are resulting quite a bit. Anyway, partner bid 3♠, and I felt compelled to do more than 4♠, but figured anything would still be patterning out looking for the best game.4♦ is definitely a good spade raise for me - if you are 1534, your likely games are 3NT and 4♠, patterning out at the 4-level won't help you with that decision. (I could understand it being COG with, say, 16 in the majors, but that seems a remote interpretation unless you have discussed to play COG in similar situations.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 1♥ - 1♠2♣ - 2♦ (gazzilli ; 8+HCP any)2♠ - 3♠ (3♠ ; sets trumps)4♣ - 4♦ (serious+cue ; cue)4♥ - 4NT (cue ; RKC)5♦ - 5NT6♣ - 7♠ I don't like the ♣ splinter suggested by other Gazzilli fans, the Q may be too valuable opposite a strong partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 4♦ is definitely a good spade raise for me For me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Not jump shifting is absolutely absurd. I am not shocked that so many on THE FORUMS would not jump shift since it is so in vogue here to never jump shift ever but I am quite surprised han would not, I'm not sure if I've ever disagreed wtih something han said more than that actually. I cannot imagine not jumpshfiting with 3 spades and a hand this good. Yes, it is cool and evolved and smart to not be jump shifting with 1534 18 counts, or maybe not even with 19 including a stiff jack (wow!), but this hand with 3514 has so much game potential. I know EXAMPLE hands are stupid and one sided, since you can come up with example hands where it goes 2C all pass and it is right, or whatever, but I will say that I would be extremely nervous if partner passed 2C, and even if he preferences to 2H or something, we have to bid 3S and what have we gained by that? I still think we've underbid, and if partner has 5 spades we almost always want to be in game anyways...and if he doesn't he will have to bid something or play 3S in a 4-3 fit which doesn't seem like a huge gain. I will give up bridge if this is not a jump shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 This is not a jump shift. You can leave now :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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