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I pass bid 3S (thanks jjbrr). Partner is likely 4-3-1-5. Easiest to think in terms of LTC here. Just about any hand with a LTC of 4 except KQxx KQx x KQxxx (good, of course) would just bid game. Most hands with a LTC of 5 are unlikely to be better than 50%, even if one of the losers is in AKxxx of clubs. Either major opposite a single K or Q may also do poorly unless partner has some 10's.
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Matchpoints.

 

1 was a one-round force, and promised five clubs.

 

Why does it promise five clubs?

4=2=3=4 What do you rebid with that pattern?

 

3. If partner can make game opposite this hand,

he should have just bid game.

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Matchpoints. 1 was a one-round force, and promised five clubs.

 

IMO 4 = 10, 4 = 9, 3 = 7.

Partner will have at least AT9x KQx x A9xxx. Even at MP, 3 is a narrow target.

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gnasher wrote

Matchpoints. 1 was a one-round force, and promised five clubs.

 

IMO 4 = 10, 4 = 9, Pass = 7.

Partner will have at least AT9x KQx x A9xxx. Even at MP, 3 is a narrow target.

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3 would be a narrow target if you bid it with the goal of making exactly 9 tricks.

 

However, if you decide that the hand is not likely to make 10 tricks, being in 3 is better than being in 4 at any form of scoring. Whether the hand makes 9, 8 or 7 tricks, it is better to be in 3 than in 4.

 

I would not bid game on these cards.

 

I assume that the grade assigned to pass was meant to be the grade assigned to 3.

 

As for 4, that is a totally irrational call. Are you making a slam try?

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3 would be a narrow target if you bid it with the goal of making exactly 9 tricks. However, if you decide that the hand is not likely to make 10 tricks, being in 3 is better than being in 4 at any form of scoring. Whether the hand makes 9, 8 or 7 tricks, it is better to be in 3 than in 4. I would not bid game on these cards. I assume that the grade assigned to pass was meant to be the grade assigned to 3. As for 4, that is a totally irrational call. Are you making a slam try?

  • ArtK78 may be right about 3 being quite high enough. It's a matter of judgement.
  • ArtK78 is also right, 3 = 7 was intended, Not Pass = 7. Corrected above.
  • The narrow target argument: If opener's try is pushy, most of the field may stop in 2. That may be the likely limit of the hand and 3 may already be too high. Both 3-1 and 4-2 will be below average compared with 2=. If 4 is a lucky make, however, then 4= will be above average, while 3+1 will score the same as 2+2.
  • The rationale for considering 4 is that opener is unlimited. His interest may be in slam as well as game. He may hold say... AKQx x xx AKQxxx. When you accept his try, he may expect you to cue-bid if possible. ArtK78 is right again -- it is probably folly to encourage him.

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Unless there is someone watching me that i want to impress by bidding game and show how brave and different than others i am, i will settle with 3. :P

 

Depends on style but my 2 was a stretch for me anyway.

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Why does it promise five clubs?

4=2=3=4 What do you rebid with that pattern?

We were playing 4-card majors, so would have opened 1.

 

Even playing 5-card majors, I usually play that the 1 rebid promises five clubs. That ocasionally loses a 4-4 spade fit, but I think that the gains from having better defined rebids make it worthwhile.

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Even playing 5-card majors, I usually play that the 1 rebid promises five clubs. That ocasionally loses a 4-4 spade fit, but I think that the gains from having better defined rebids make it worthwhile.

 

Its a matter of taste i guess. I play this 1 promissing only 3 cards . If we are going to slam or if my shape is relevant to pd to determine which game to play, we have tools for it but i can see showing it at 1st round wld have advantages. But if it is irrelevant and we are going to play 4 or 3 NT regardless, i gain a lot in long run by not drawing the map of my hand for defense.

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Partner will have at least ♠ AT9x ♥ KQx ♦ x ♣ A9xxx. Even at MP, 3♠ is a narrow target.

 

If partner has that hand then I'd rather be in 3S, and also if partner has more highcards but fewer useful spots such as Axxx KQx x AQxxx.

 

He may hold say... AKQx x xx AKQxxx.

 

Or, only slightly less likely, perhaps partner has pulled out the opening bid by accident, has decided to continu the deception, and as a baby was dropped on earth from a nearby galaxy.

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If partner has that hand then I'd rather be in 3S, and also if partner has more highcards but fewer useful spots such as Axxx KQx x AQxxx.
To some extent it's a matter of partnership-style but, not vulnerable at pairs, partner is normally reluctant to try for game over a two-level raise, without reasonable aspirations.
Or, only slightly less likely, perhaps partner has pulled out the opening bid by accident, has decided to continue the deception, and as a baby was dropped on earth from a nearby galaxy.

:) :) :) Andromeda Bowles.
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My hand is pretty great with nothing wasted in D, i dont see why i woulndt bid game. JT of clubs is only 1 pts but these are great cards when partner showed a 5 card suit. Also 1S is forcing so ill be forced to bid 2S with any subminimum response.

 

I consider that if you only bid 3S there is a hole in your bridge.

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Matchpoints.

 

1 was a one-round force, and promised five clubs.

 

at imps invite freely accept dearly

at MP invite dearly accept freely.

 

when opener bids 3h they are very close to a 4s

bid themselves (this is where invite dearly kicks in)

but need to cater to really bad hands where you might

have say KQxx of dia as most of your power. Well you

have the A not the KQ and lets face it the JT of clubs

opposite at least a 5 card suit are like a gold mine.

You have enough stuff to make defense difficult for the

opps to cash tricks before clubs can be set up. IMO this

is a clear cut bid of:

 

4s

 

If p is always inviting hoping you have a max and no

wasted values (in dia)at MP they are overbidding. That

is an IMP tactic.

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  • ArtK78 may be right about 3 being quite high enough. It's a matter of judgement.
  • ArtK78 is also right, 3 = 7 was intended, Not Pass = 7. Corrected above.
  • The narrow target argument: If opener's try is pushy, most of the field may stop in 2. That may be the likely limit of the hand and 3 may already be too high. Both 3-1 and 4-2 will be below average compared with 2=. If 4 is a lucky make, however, then 4= will be above average, while 3+1 will score the same as 2+2.
  • The rationale for considering 4 is that opener is unlimited. His interest may be in slam as well as game. He may hold say... AKQx x xx AKQxxx. When you accept his try, he may expect you to cue-bid if possible. ArtK78 is right again -- it is probably folly to encourage him.

 

 

I was thinking the opener was limited by an inability to JS with 2 over 1. If this is not system then I would choose 4 otherwise 3

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More inclined to bid 2 than 4. Without the 10 this would be very clear for me, as my only sure entry will disappear at trick one and I may have to play clubs immediately. At least with J10 I might retain an entry in my hand, so I feel there is some merit in bidding game.
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