Hanoi5 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 All white, teams, you hold: ♠AJ987xx♥---♦A873♣AQ Pa-Pa-1♠-XXX-3♥-??? XX shows 10+ no fit3♥ is pre-emptive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 I am going to bid 4♠. I am not going to look for a slam opposite a passed hand (admittedly one with 10+ HCP) and no fit. But I am definitely going to play this hand in game in the obvious spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 My first thought was the same as ArtK78's, that 4S was the obvious spot. I'm pretty sure that's what I would bid at the table. But on reflection partner doesn't need much for 6D; even a hand like x/Qxxx/KJxx/Kxxx is pretty good, and that's a subminimum redouble in my book. Plus I can still bid 4S if the opps push on. So I'll bite and bid 4D, fully prepared to apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 I am going to bid 4♠. I am not going to look for a slam opposite a passed hand (admittedly one with 10+ HCP) and no fit. But I am definitely going to play this hand in game in the obvious spot. I think this is the %age choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 hmmm... give pard a 1444 and I'm not so sure I want to play 4♠. Doubling 3♥ may be our sides' best contract, but in the pass-out seat pard can dbl with a lot of unsuitable hands, so I'll just bid 3♠ here. Pard will raise this if he has 2 spades and only 1 heart stop. If he however now bids 3NT, I'd pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 hmmm... give pard a 1444 and I'm not so sure I want to play 4♠. Doubling 3♥ may be our sides' best contract, but in the pass-out seat pard can dbl with a lot of unsuitable hands, so I'll just bid 3♠ here. Pard will raise this if he has 2 spades and only 1 heart stop. If he however now bids 3NT, I'd pass. The reason we did not open 4♠ is because we have extra AAQ on side and now pd showed apprx about 10 hcp and we will worry about if we make game or not in teammatch ? Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrosa Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Partner did not deny 2 spades.It's easy to construct hands with 10 HCP (and less than that) where slam is good, either in ♠ or in ♦, and even if the ♣Q is a wasted card. So don't count me in for giving up on slam right away.IF we are in a forcing situation (as normally set up by the redouble, but some people might consider that the jump bid by advancer and/or the opening bid in 3rd position change that), opener should perhaps consider passing and then bidding ♠ or ♦, showing ("pass and pull") a better hand than by taking immediate action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 any other position I would pass over 3h and pull to show this extra value monster. 3rd seat I will do thebest I can do and since KQJxxxxxxKxKx is a decent 4s bid I will not do that with my so muchbetter hand. I will try my best and bid 4h this should be an obvious slam try with long spadesand short hearts. We should allow p to bid 4n to PLAY in case they are VERY short in spades. We should also honor a 4s bid from p. The real downside of 4h is how does p proceed to show slam intertest? My suggestion isthey cue bid lowest control at 5 level. Once that happens opener can bid 6d and offer a choice of contracts. It is indeed possible to miss an easy 7d contract this waybut just making 6 will probably be good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Its unfortunate but pass cannot be forcing here, its a passed hand vs a 3rd seat opening. I would like play 4D as forcing but again im not 100% sure about it. X is not negative so ill just bid 4H as a COG this needed to be discussed but when a neg x isnt available you need a COG/catch all bid. With 5044 shapes i would bid 4Nt so 4H suggest 6S/4m. If partner take it a slam try it doesnt bother me too much. Bidding a simple 4S also make sense. Very nasty hand. The more i think abouit it the better i like 4S, partner can easily be 1435 :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 The reason we did not open 4♠ is because we have extra AAQ on side (...) "we"? Well, speak for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 "we"? Well, speak for yourself. You maybe right on this one since A/E section always confuses me. We have people who thinks 6 is a possibility but settles in 4♠, we have another one who is worried to miss grandslam but settles in slam, and we have you who is not even sure if wanna play game or not. My confusion is, i am looking at the hand, and still seeing a 7042, void in opponent suit, rich in trump spots, 15 hcp which includes 3 Aces by the way ! At the top of the fact that pd RDBLED! And i am asking myself "What kind of food posioning makes a man wanna play this hand in part score ?" I know you will reply "Don't be silly" I get it :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hey, "Don't be silly" is an euphemism. What I really mean when I say that is "you #$$%&"#" :) Anyway, I'm not gonna say that lol. I meant 3♠ as forcing, not competitive. If it crosses my mind that pard might pass that, of course you can be bloody sure I bid 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hey, "Don't be silly" is an euphemism. What I really mean when I say that is "you #$$%&"#" :) Anyway, I'm not gonna say that lol. I meant 3♠ as forcing, not competitive. If it crosses my mind that pard might pass that, of course you can be bloody sure I bid 4♠. I dont mind the 3♠ bid, what i refered was hmmm... give pard a 1444 and I'm not so sure I want to play 4♠. I took this as u dont wanna play game if he has 1444. Perhaps u meant u wanna play some other game than 4♠. If so i see your point now. 3 NT never occured to me as an option tbh. When pd has 1444 and 2♥ stopper they lead ♥, i play ♠, they lead another ♥ and if my ♠ are not established by now i am pretty much done in 3 NT while cold for 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I took this as u dont wanna play game if he has 1444. Perhaps u meant u wanna play some other game than 4♠. yeah, that's what I meant. Not playing game here seems.. well, huh.. silly B-) I was worried of 2 spade losers + 2 minor suit losers playing spades, but not that I see it again, that's overly pessimistic. 4♠ should definitely have a play for even if pard has a very unsuitable hand, say, AJ98xxx--AxxxAQ xKQxxQxxxKxxx Anyway, I concede that 4♠ is probably a better bid than 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 All white, teams, you hold: ♠ AJ987xx ♥- ♦ A873 ♣ AQPa-Pa-1♠-XXX-3♥-???XX shows 10+ no fit3♥ is pre-emptive IMO, as suggested by jcrosa, Pass = 10. For us, partner's redouble sets up a forcing pass (even though he is a passed hand). Then, suppose partner doubles. You can pull to 4♦ = 10, 4♠ = 8, or 3♠ = 5 -- showing sound values and ♥ shortage. For us, an immediate 4♠ over the redouble would show a weaker hand e.g. ♠ KQJxxxxx ♥- ♦ KQJx ♣ xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onedown Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 All white, teams, you hold: ♠AJ987xx♥---♦A873♣AQ Pa-Pa-1♠-XXX-3♥-??? XX shows 10+ no fit3♥ is pre-emptiveSince we have partner with 10+ we must be in game, especially at IMPs. But the question is what is forcing here and what is the right spot? It is not 3NT and a 5 level minor may be too high!If I bid 4 ♦I fear this is not forcing and we may get too high in 5 ♦on a 4-4 fit and miss 4♠if partner has xx in spades, the K being a bonus. If we decide to force with 4♥ then we are going to hear 5♣or 5♦, not where I would ideally like to be. Ergo my bid is 4♠ and may the bridge gods be with me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Ergo my bid is 4♠ and may the bridge gods be with me! You will be fine without bridge gods bro, you are playing game in your 8 card major fit with apprx 25-26 hcp combined and you are far from holding a flat hand :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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