semeai Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 At Imps, red vs white, you hear [hv=pc=n&s=sakjh9dk652ckj742&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=pp1c3hdp]133|200[/hv] Your call? If you don't open 1♣, try the same problem with your choice of opening bid. Partner's hand doesn't matter unless you care about results, so I've given you no UI. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 4♣, just in case pard has a flattish 4333. This is wrong if he has 4252/4342 though. If I was sure pard had strong spades, say QT9x, I'd bid 4 of that. I have extras, but 5m seems a long way opposite a passed hand. I think this will depend on the defree of heart wastage and I don't have a way to gauge that. Hence the underbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 4♥, hopefully partner will choose a minor. If he bids 4♠ I don't know what I'll do... Pass? 4NT? 4♣ doesn't show the diamonds, that's why I don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 First four votes, four different calls. Four different strains even (well, one doesn't count as a strain)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 4♥ planning to pass 4♠ happily if partner bids it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I'm sure I've seen this sequence before but I still haven't learned the lesson. Is 4♥ choice-of-games? Does it deny four spades? Is there any way to show a slam-try with spades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 4NT pick a minor game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 For those who do like to know results: I bid 3♠, figuring it was perhaps right, and also gave us a shot at 3NT. Partner should have some hearts; maybe he has a stopper. In retrospect, I doubt partner has both a stopper and only 3 hearts spades, and with 4 spades he's passing or raising to game. Partner held: [hv=pc=n&n=st632h742dqcaqt85]133|100[/hv] 3♠ was off 1 when dummy my hand was tapped. 5♣ makes, but I think only thehog gets there unless some of the 4♥ bidders are bidding again over 4♠. Possibly if I'm going to stop short of game I should bid 4♣ like whereagles: not resulting but because the logic of 3♠ was somewhat flawed I now realize. Added: Likely our 4♦ bidders also get to 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Partner held:[hv=pc=n&n=st632h742dqcaqt85]133|100[/hv]eww. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Concealing 5-card support, when partner made a game forcing bid asking about our distribution, is just plain rude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Actually, does partner bid 3NT with 4 spades and a stopper? With fewer than 4 spades and a stopper I guess he just bids 3NT directly. So maybe I continue to like 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 He should bid 3NT on some hands with a heart stop, but not automatically. 3♠ is good on some 3145 hands but this one is too strong. We would like to be in game opposite a 3-level negative double, so we should force to game with 4♥ and should not make a non-forcing bid. Hopefully partner doesn't automatically rebid 4♠ over 4♥ just to repeat what we already know. Hopefully partner will bid 5♣ with 5-card support. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 He should bid 3NT on some hands with a heart stop, but not automatically. 3♠ is good on some 3145 hands but this one is too strong. We would like to be in game opposite a 3-level negative double, so we should force to game with 4♥ and should not make a non-forcing bid. Hopefully partner doesn't automatically rebid 4♠ over 4♥ just to repeat what we already know. Hopefully partner will bid 5♣ with 5-card support. You're right, partner may well bid 5♣ over 4♥, especially with only ♠10xxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 I would have passed with partner's hand. I really don't understand 4NT in response to the dobule, I would think that 4D is clearly better, and 4H is better as well. If 4H is choice of games then partner should obviously not bid 4S on 10xxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Good problem btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 3♠ was off 1 when dummy my hand was tapped. 5♣ makes, but I think only thehog gets there unless some of the 4♥ bidders are bidding again over 4♠. I voted for 4♥, and over 4♠ I do indeed pass, and subsequently look for a new partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted August 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Necro/Addendum (my apologies for the necro): I was looking at some old challenge the champs hands and came across this: (Hands are approximate as I set it aside and don't have it in front of me now, but I think I have it right.) West:AxxxQJxxAKxxx East:KxxxTxxAKQxxx Bertheau-Nystrom had the auction 2C* (3H) X (P); 4H (P) 6C end, for top marks. (2C precision) Wooldridge-Hurd had the auction 1C (3H) X (P); 4D (P) 5C end, the second best spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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