MrAce Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Click on the number. You will open a window which shows all of the upvotes and downvotes. Thanks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 If Artk78 is just talking about voting to cancel out a malicious Lurpoa downvote I don't think anyone could object, it seems to me that is entirely reasonable in such extreme cases as the Lurpoa attacks. On the other hand, if he is talking about following the jonottawa/hotshot strategy of voting to cancel out normal votes just because he personally wouldn't have made that vote, I agree with Roger that this just seems pretty egotistical, 'nobody is allowed to vote on a post unless I myself approve' ... whatever. Anyway at the end of the day this upvoting and downvoting is not such a big deal, I do think however that if the plan for votes was to advertise posts with high votes in BBO that this will not work. It doesn't happen that posts with excellent bridge content get many upvotes, the funny posts or posts making a non-bridge point people agree with seem to get the most votes.As usual, I agree with 655321, even on some non-bridge matters! In any case, now that a few of the Lurpoa votes have been neutralized, I hit 100 rep! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 See gwnn's post above. If you click on the votes received for a post (the little green or red number) it tells you who voted which way. So in particular, it was easy to see the pattern with Lurpoa that every time I checked a post that had been downvoted once, it was Lurpoa who had done it. Ok ty, i saw the one about green arrow, but i must have missed this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Personally, I think this downvoting of all Lurpoa's posts is ridiculous. It seems to me to be getting "even" for her downvotes ; how childish this is. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 It's funny how posting mainstream opinions in a thread about up-/downvoting is more likely to get you upvoted than posting mainstream opinions in a thread about bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I see I had one post where I suggested a SPLINTER instead of jumping to game.I thought it was brilliant, but ----- it cost me - 4 ... downvotes.Either they hate me or they hate splinters .... or both . In the past (before voting, at least before downvoting) the forum "experts" would come down hard on posts made in the beginner/intermediate forum which they deemed too complicated for the tiny intellects of the beginners to handle. It is possible that they now use downvotes as a substitute. I only speculate, but there is a third possible reason for that post being downvoted, being that it was deemed too elevated for a poor B/I to grasp. Also there is a difference between "hating splinters" and "hating to splinter on that hand". It is my observation that while the voting system might be (or have been, in utopia) effective in cutting out superfluous posts of "I agree", "LOL" etc, the facility does provide an incentive just to vote when a poster might have said something a bit more informative in a post. Sure, he can still do that, but will he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Lowering the number of up/down votes can be done per profile, so whoever feels strongly enough about wanting to go on a downvote spree can just register new accounts. Granted, that can be worked around as well, at the cost of further segregating new members from the existing member base.I agree that there should probably be some official guideline as to when and how up/down votes should be cast, since in this thread several opinions have been cast, all valid. Combining them is unwieldy, as would be defining several types of votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Personally, I think this downvoting of all Lurpoa's posts is ridiculous. It seems to me to be getting "even" for her downvotes ; how childish this is.LOL @ the downvote included in this post :) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Personally, I think this downvoting of all Lurpoa's posts is ridiculous. It seems to me to be getting "even" for her downvotes ; how childish this is.Downvoting Lurpoa is not a good solution, but in any reasonably moderated forum Lurpoa would have lost the rights to upvote or downvote long ago. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Why are you the downvoting police? Do you also think you should be able to upvote/downvote a post twice, just because your opinion is more important? Maybe we should give you the power to just cancel out any number of reputation on a post that you feel is not particularly noteworthy in one way or the other. You should only upvote posts you want to upvote, and downvote posts you want to downvote. If all we do is upvote or downvote when we think a post is neutral but has strayed from neutral reputation, then the integrity of the reputation system gets compromised. Obviously people have a lot of reasons to vote and even more important people have a different understanding what a post's reputation should be. If many upvotes of a post mean that it's content is a valuable read for someone interested in bridge, while many downvotes suggest it's bad advice, what's wrong if I have an opinion about the votes in correlation with the post? There are a lot of "above average" posts, that I usually won't upvote as outstanding, that in my view should not have a negative reputation.There are also posts "below average", that I usually won't downvote as bad advice, that I don't want to be seen as recommendation just because they have a positive reputation. Usually people post a problem on this forum, because they had a problem, what does downvoting an opening post mean?- ignore this thread- don't ask stupid questions- RTFMI don't think that this is a good way to welcome people to the forum and to keep them inside this community.The number of posters that deliberately posted nonsense has always been very small and most of these kind of posts have moved to the water cooler. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Well, this up/downvote thing is basically a political tool. It allows voters to express an opinion about a post. It may, and frequently does, have nothing to do with the technical merit of a bid/play. Reputation serves to give a weight to someone's opinion, but reputation comes from practice, not from some random popularity index. Besides, some people like to push buttons. Others don't even know it's there (I for instance never used it). This makes it even more meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 DBL post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 There is a very simple way of preventing someone from downvoting too much. Simply make it so that a user can only downvote as many times as they have plus votes. Of course it would be possible for someone to create proxy accounts to give themselves upvotes to artificially increase their quota but this should be easy to spot for our Moderator team. This method would also have the added advantage of encouraging our semi-lurkers to contribute. FWiiW I have not downvoted anyone yet - if I disagree strongly enough I prefer to write a post. This way I have more chance of learning something too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 You know what else is easy for the mod team to notice? Someone downvoting "too much" for illegitimate reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 ArtK78 just wanted to break the record of most controversial post (most plus and minus votes combined). Looks like he has succeeded admirably. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 LOL @ the downvote included in this post :) Uh yes, just noticed that as well. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 As usual, I agree with 655321, even on some non-bridge matters! In any case, now that a few of the Lurpoa votes have been neutralized, I hit 100 rep!LOL she downvoted this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Canceling other people's votes is just as ridiculous as the whole voting system. As I said in the other thread, we don't need it. Btw, if you want to do a really good job, then why don't you cancel the random upvotes as well? I just wonder: should the moderators take our opinions into account or not? If so, a poll about the voting system may be in order. At the moment we can discuss this all we want, but as long as the moderators prefer a voting system we can't do anything against random voters, popularity contests, votes in the watercooler, and apparently the anti-downvote police... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I went to lunch at a Chinese restaurant this afternoon. The fortune in my fortune cookie read: "Everything you are against weakens you. Everything you are for empowers you." I thought that was pretty funny, given the upvote and downvote controversy. By the way, I have yet to give any post a downvote, as much as I have been tempted to do so. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 There was a very simple question posed by someone. Is pass forcing here? The reply to the question was "you are joking right?". I thought that was not a helpful post and it was slightly rude so I downvoted it. Unfortunately the downvote police arrested me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 There was a very simple question posed by someone. Is pass forcing here? The reply to the question was "you are joking right?". I thought that was not a helpful post and it was slightly rude so I downvoted it. Unfortunately the downvote police arrested me.Let me know how the interrogations go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJonson Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 There was a very simple question posed by someone. Is pass forcing here? The reply to the question was "you are joking right?". I thought that was not a helpful post and it was slightly rude so I downvoted it. Unfortunately the downvote police arrested me. Perhaps you could just leave the answering poster to say 'no not joking, it's a reasonable new concept for you to consider'. If that's what he thinks. Why do you think your 'downvote/upvote' adds anything to the conversation. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I once had one of my carefully written masterpieces maliciously downvoted by an internet bully. This act of terrorism had a profound effect on me. Tears were shed. Sleep was lost. Work was missed. Coping mechanisms were employed and reemployed. I was left scarred, emotionally and spiritually. I became convinced I would never be able to love again. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJonson Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I once had one of my carefully written masterpieces maliciously downvoted by an internet bully. This act of terrorism had a profound effect on me. Tears were shed. Sleep was lost. Work was missed. Coping mechanisms were employed and reemployed. I was left scarred, emotionally and spiritually. I became convinced I would never be able to love again. Just in case you imagined this was anything to do with me (and you may not) the post gwnn refers to was from Pooltuna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Just in case you imagined this was anything to do with me (and you may not) the post gwnn refers to was from Pooltuna. Nothing at all to do with you. It wasn't in response to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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