Imps decision

[rduran1216]

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If you decide to bid 2S partner will raise to 3, North will pass, and now what?

[aguahombre]

The East hand does not have anything extra for a 2S advance to a direct-seat double.

 

IMO, it is subminimum for a 2S advance to partner's balancing seat double. (The xx by opener should not affect things in the same way that an xx by responder would have after a direct double.)

 

Pass would be a good idea now, for East.

[Hanoi5]

4♠. Values for doubler's partner should not change when doubler is in the pass-out position. Partner knows this, and he was also aware of the redouble, so hopefully he won't have wasted values in clubs.

[mtvesuvius]

LOL, so far Pass and 4♠, both of which seem quite bad imo. I like a nice quiet 1♠.

[aguahombre]

LOL, so far Pass and 4♠, both of which seem quite bad imo. I like a nice quiet 1♠.

It was pass after having already bid 2S and getting raised. Of course 1S was possible earlier, but that is past history.

[nige1]

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'rduran1216 asked....

If you decide to bid 2S partner will raise to 3, North will pass, and now what?

 

IMO...

Over the redouble, 1♠ = 10, 2♠ = 9, Pass = 0. I think Pass should be penalty :(

Over partner's raise to 3♠, Pass =10, 4♠ = 8, 2♠ = 4 :) .[/hv]

[gwnn]

2♠ is not a pretty bid. I like 1♠ originally and now I think it's high time to pass.

 

We have an aceless ugly duckling over here. Game takes a lot from partner. This is the sort of hand where it makes sense to pass partner's single raise even if he opened 1♣ and we replied.

[pooltuna]

you NV and partner is in balance position. 3♠ by pard, IMO, shows a more or less normal opening hand so I pass.

[han]

I'd also bid 1S the first time around.

[Phil]

I'd also bid 1S the first time around.

 

I think overcalling with this hand is quite unsound.

[aguahombre]

I think overcalling with this hand is quite unsound.

Humor, of course. Knowing Han meant after the double and redouble.

[mtvesuvius]

It was pass after having already bid 2S and getting raised. Of course 1S was possible earlier, but that is past history.

Sorry, misread your post. In that case, I wholeheartedly agree :)

[pooltuna]

There appears to be some disagreemnet with calls after the XX in the OP text. I.e. after (1♣) P (P) X; (XX) what do the following calls mean pass, 1♦, 1♥, 1♠, 1NT, 2♣,2♦, 2♥, 2♠, 2NT,3♣,3♦, 3♥, 3♠, 3NT

 

Here some possiblities for discussion; hopefully they will be at least good targets for the skeeters out there :)

 

call; meaning

pass; to play - this means the responder is playing "must save"

1♦; less than a constructive raise

1♥; less than a constructive raise

1♠; less than a constructive raise

1NT; feel that this should stronger than a norm 1NT as you could save with 1x

2♣; not sure beyond forcing

2♦; constructive raise

2♥; constructive raise

2♠; constructive raise

2NT; min opening hand not wanting to punish partner

3♣; stopper ask for 3NT

3♦; limit raise

3♥; limit raise

3♠; limit raise

3NT; prefers not to play 1CXX

[jjbrr]

I also would have bid 1♠, but having bid 2♠ I would pass partner's raise.

[Hanoi5]

So, values do change after a balancing double. If after a direct double:

 

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-8

jump in any new suit: 9-11

cue bid: 12+

 

How does it change after a balancing double?

[whereagles]

I'd try 1♠ here. Over the rdbl, this sounds like a weak bid, but I'm going to take some action afterwards.

[whereagles]

So, values do change after a balancing double. If after a direct double:

 

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-8

jump in any new suit: 9-11

cue bid: 12+

 

How does it change after a balancing double?

 

You add a queen, e.g.

 

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-10

jump in any new suit: 11-13

cue bid: 14+

[Zelandakh]

You add a queen

...

 

It depends where in the world you are! In Britain you act as if a king less, in Germany it is ~4hcp less if my translation of Forum D articles is correct. In general (very roughly) the more you are playing power doubles the lesser the differential; the more shape doubles then the larger the differential. Of course the boundary for a jump response also varies a little bit by region so you need to take that into account too...

[han]

So, values do change after a balancing double. If after a direct double:

 

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-8

jump in any new suit: 9-11

cue bid: 12+

 

How does it change after a balancing double?

 

Even after a direct seat double I wouldn't jump to 2S with that many 9-counts on balanced hands with only 4 spades.

[mcphee]

I think 1S is ok and we can take some action later being maximum for 1S. Passing is an option, but 1S does shut out a possible H bid from my LHO.

[gszes]

humongous ranges are unplayable. noone opens 1n meaning anywhere

from 12 to 21 so why play a response that has a range from 0-10?

 

We would bid 1s over the xx with say xxxx xxx xxx xxx and our hand is

around 3-4 tricks better than that so both hands cannot be bid the same

way.

 

IMO a 2s=10 2d=6 1s=2 at least 1s is better than bids like 7n

 

 

the general standard is assume p has around 7 points and one generally

subtracts 7 points from hand and bids from there with 0-7 being minimum

and above that extras. Here we have a decent 9 count and a 2s bid

seems appropriate and if it werent for the overall loathing of minors

a 2d bid would be even more accurate. Once p bids 3s we have hit gold

and our 9 count (ignoring club J) and ruffing value in hearts puts us

over the top and we would bid

 

4s and I would not be averse to seeing a 4d bid warning p that we have

only four spades and offering up a non forcing choice:) do not bid

4d unless you have discussed this stuff with partner.

 

after p bids 3s 4s = 10 pass = 6

 

remember that after this auction the play will practically be double dummy.

[Zelandakh]

humongous ranges are unplayable. noone opens 1♠ meaning anywhere

from 12 to 21 so why play a 1♠ response that has a range from 0-10?

 

FYP...