G_R__E_G Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Some crazy hands at our club last night. This was one of them. [hv=pc=n&s=saq987432hqj73d6c&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=1d2cp]133|200[/hv] What's your bid and plan in general? Some extra info that may or may not factor into your decisions. It's matchpoints and your partner's style is that this bid will show between a good 10 to a bad 16 hcp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 My plan is to bid 4♠. We will see what happens after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 My plan is to bid 2S and see what happens after that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I bid my 8 card suit at the cheapest level possible, which is forcing. What happens now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Is it forcing because you shout it? I'm with bidding 4♠ right away, unless it's a splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Well yes, that's one reason :) I cannot stand playing NF freebids in these auctions, and have had a lot more problems because of them than they aim to solve. I really don't see how the structure can be made to work, and it makes me want to die every time I pick up a good hand opposite partner's overcall. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 4S, not enamoured about my void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_R__E_G Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 I agree with you fully Adam that playing 2♠ as forcing is best. Unfortunately this lady that I play with does not. I also wasn't in love with my void so I settled for 4♠ which is where the auction ended. The ♥K was offside (the only 3 pts righty had) so I only made 6. Partner had ♠KJx ♥Ax ♦Ax ♣K10xxxx. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 I agree with you fully Adam that playing 2♠ as forcing is best. Unfortunately this lady that I play with does not. snipped You did not state this in your op. If this is the case, I x and then bid S to set up the force - I assume she plays that sequence as forcing? I think 4S is a blugeon of a bid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_R__E_G Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 snipped You did not state this in your op. If this is the case, I x and then bid S to set up the force - I assume she plays that sequence as forcing? I think 4S is a blugeon of a bid. I could X but then somebody will probably call the director. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 I could X but then somebody will probably call the director. :)I don't like partner's chances in 2♣, so double seems about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 If you play Transfer Advances, then 2H! .... and next 4S ( if partner just "simply accepts" ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Well yes, that's one reason :) I cannot stand playing NF freebids in these auctions, and have had a lot more problems because of them than they aim to solve. I really don't see how the structure can be made to work, and it makes me want to die every time I pick up a good hand opposite partner's overcall. So let's assume your wishes are fulfilled and 2♠ is played as forcing.What is the great strategic advantage of being able to make a forcing bid below game with this particular hand? Why do you want to go slow? Do you expect to stay out of 4♠ eventually, if partner does not fit your hand? Do you want to warn opponents that it may be unwise to double, when you eventually reach 4♠? Or do you expect you might end up in a superior strain than ♠? Assume partner fits your hand do you expect to have the rest of the auction for yourself and partner?Do you expect to be able to bid 6♠ with any confidence assuming the cards fit like a glove? Have I overlooked something? Just wondering.. Holding an 8 card major suit headed by two of the top 3 honors, an 8410 distribution, when opponents have opened the bidding I know what I want to do. Why I need a "bidding plan" for such hands and what such a plan is supposed to accomplish other than letting opponents find out about their own potential is beyond me, but maybe I am too dumb for this game. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Even playing 2S as forcing I would bid 4S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Me too, 4S it is. And I play 2S is non-forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_R__E_G Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Even playing 2S as forcing I would bid 4S Thanks Justin. This is why I didn't mention whether 2♠ would be forcing or not in the OP, I was interesting in hearing how people would bid it with various agreements, Follow up question....does anyone think my partner should have taken another bid after my 4♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Hi, If you play 2S as NF, you have to bid 3C followed by bidding the spade suit. If you can bid 2S as F, go ahead. For whats it worth - We play 2S in this seq. as NF, but we also play 3S / 4Sas fit jumps. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 For whats it worth - We play 2S in this seq. as NF, but we also play 3S / 4Sas fit jumps. If you play 2S as NF, you have to bid 3C followed by bidding the spade suit. I usually like your methods and ideas, but not this one: --- Advancing 3C ( is THAT really forcing ? ) and then Spades looks like a cuebid for Cl as trumps . If 3S/4S are fit-jumps, which I like, then it seems 2S would have to be forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 If you play Transfer Advances, then 2H! .... and next 4S ( if partner just "simply accepts" ). But here Partner has a fit and "extras" so he makes what might be called a "super accept" with a 3D! cuebid: NorthK J xA xA xK 10 x x x x SouthA Q 9 8 7 4 3 2Q J 7 36void ( 1D ) - 2C - ( p ) - 2H! ( Rubens Transfer Advance )( p ) - 3D! - ( p ) - 4D! ( p ) - 4H - ( p ) - 6S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 2♠ is NF. 3♠ would be forcing. I will bludgeon 4♠ because its a better description of my hand. What do negative free bids have to do with this?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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