Bbradley62 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 [hv=pc=n&w=sq953h3dj75ca9862&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=pp1dd]160|240[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 I was bidding 1S over Pass wasn't I? Nothing's changed really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I do not subscribe to the theory that if we were bidding over a pass we should bid over a double (and bid the same thing). For instance, we would often respond on a subminimum hand to keep the auction open/perhaps steal from the opps, both of those are unneccessary reasons to bid now. This does not just include hands like QT9xx Jxxx x xxx which are subminimum responses that might have game in a major or at least a better spot than diamonds, to me it includes a hand like Qxxx Qxxx xx Qxx which is a normal response but a normal pass when they X imo. That said, this time we have a good hand and I see no reason not to bid 1S. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 this probably has been said many times but transfers over a X are almost a must IMHO. Its an old idea but its becoming more and more popular. XX = hearts1H = 4Setc The advantages are numerous. The drawback = free X for showing a suit (lead directing)no more business XX 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 1♥. Seriously, 1♠. Any other action is trying to guess the whole hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Thank you all for your feedback. Apparently, in Estonia, 1M over 1m(x) shows a 5card suit and xx shows 6+HCP and a 4card major. Go know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Thank you all for your feedback. Apparently, in Estonia, 1M over 1m(x) shows a 5card suit and xx shows 6+HCP and a 4card major. Go know... Have you ever tried plying bridge with an Elbonian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 this probably has been said many times but transfers over a X are almost a must IMHO. Its an old idea but its becoming more and more popular. XX = hearts1H = 4Setc The advantages are numerous. The drawback = free X for showing a suit (lead directing)no more business XXCan you point me to a link that discusses the advantages and full continuations in more detail, please? Google does not seem to like me very much today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 1S. 1 level bids remain their meaning, and since I have a bid, that I wouldhave and without the TOX, and the meaning reamains unchanged, I will makeit. The trend is going more and more in the direction of offshape double, moreand more bal. hand, even with some length, are making a TOX, so it makesless and less sense to assume, that the TOX is based on 44 in the majors. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Can you point me to a link that discusses the advantages and full continuations in more detail, please? Google does not seem to like me very much today.Using google the correct way :D 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 1S looks obvious to me. Benlessard's t/f bids are normally used at the 2 level, hence 1NT > C, 2C > D etc, and not at the one level. xx is usually used to show 10+, shortness with pd and a good possibility to penalise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Using google the correct way :D Thanks. Yes I did find that hard. :)Hog - I think Benlessard's transfers at 1 level are rising rapidly in popularity among good players 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 1eyedjack you can just play completion=3 card support, NF (up to 17 or so)over a completion you can play XYZ for example (more about XYZ here). other bids=normal stuff, minimal bids deny 3 card support Transfers over 1♦x are probably my favourite treatment in bridge, notwithstanding my partners' forgetting it a few times. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Thanks. Yes I did find that hard. :)Hog - I think Benlessard's transfers at 1 level are rising rapidly in popularity among good playersSo how do you ever get to penalise the stupid doublers if you have no xx available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 So how do you ever get to penalise the stupid doublers if you have no xx available?You don't. I suppose this is a drawback of playing these methods over 1♥, but over 1m does it really happen that often that you get to penalize them after a business rdbl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 So how do you ever get to penalise the stupid doublers if you have no xx available? My hit-rate of finding lucrative doubles of oppo having started with a stone-age redouble is not especially memorable, whatever the theoretical possibilities, so I am not averse to trying alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 So how do you ever get to penalise the stupid doublers if you have no xx available? Pass then X 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'm just curious why my post was downvoted. Was I arrogant/rude or is the treatment that I wrote about completely bad? I think it's used by about 50% of people who play these transfers. At the risk of being downvoted again, I am going to describe the alternative treatment as well, with slight trepidation: completion=catchall, semi-waiting bid, most often a weak NT, but can still be strongxx-p-1♠=unbalanced1NT=18-19 balanced (could have 3 card support)2-level completion=4 card support2NT=could be various stuff, for example a 3♦ rebid with 3 cards in partner's major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 The main advantage is that it put the doubler on lead, there is nothing more frustrating than having to lead from a 11-14 pts 4414 when you think partner is broke and didnt bid anything. The way i think is best is having two "1Nt" bids. 1D--(X)--??? 1S = values for 1Nt but no D support (so 5/6 clubs most of the time).1Nt = values for 1NT but D support (3 if 1D promise 4 or 4 if 1D can be short. So that way if LHO compete your partner can bid 3C/3D without be afraid to hit you with an awful shape. Im sure there is plenty of others treatment. The main point is that XX is simply an underused bid and its a prime estate bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 You don't. I suppose this is a drawback of playing these methods over 1♥, but over 1m does it really happen that often that you get to penalize them after a business rdbl? Yes, I picked up an 800 just the other day after 1D (X) xx (P)(P) (1H) onKQTxAQTxxQ98xThe double had the usual 3424 rubbishy 12 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 I am sympathetic to the style that 1S "tends to show" 5, and that the shapeless 4333s and 4342s either bid 1NT or pass the double -- but this isn't shapeless, we aren't going to pass, and we might as well show our suit such as it is. Hearing partner compete to 2S over 2H won't be the end of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Yes, I picked up an 800 just the other day after 1D (X) xx (P)(P) (1H) onKQTxAQTxxQ98xThe double had the usual 3424 rubbishy 12 count. I don't think she asked if it ever happens. I play a lot of hands, and i play this Rdbl for business, but to be honest i dont think i punished opps more than 2 times a year. So she is right, i wouldn't mind playing xx here for better purposes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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