han Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 xxxxxxxAKQ98x 1D - (2D*) - 3C - (p)4D - (p) - ?? 2D showed both majors, 3C is natural and non-forcing.4D was intended as a natural slam try, should it be? Now 4H and 4S are cuebids, 4NT is RKC for diamonds and 5C is clubs. What's your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 can't we have 4♥ as RKC and 4NT as a heart cue? If we ask with 4NT and p has three key cards we still can't ask for the queen. Oh well, after the preempt there is a good chance that the queen is onside. My first inclination was to punt 6. Might as well try 4NT just in case it is 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Can I really not bid 4N and expect my partner know this is a slam try with no major suit control and not keycard? I bid 3C non forcing! If I was playing with Dr. H Peters III, I would bid it for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Imagine that you were indeed playing with that partner, but you yourself are somebody else and your partner would never expect you to bid 4NT as anything but RKC. If that doesn't help: imagine that your only choices are 5D and 6D. Which would you pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 5♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Imagine that you were indeed playing with that partner, but you yourself are somebody else and your partner would never expect you to bid 4NT as anything but RKC. If that doesn't help: imagine that your only choices are 5D and 6D. Which would you pick? Haha, well, I would probably bid 4H. That way some of the time we're off the AK they will double at least and hopefully we can stop (and maybe partner can bid 4N-5N and we can get to our grand). If my options were 5D and 6D I would bid 6. Maybe 5C should be a cuebid under these conditions, but I would not risk that either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 I like 4♥ on paper, but probably wouldn't think it up at the table. If I had to pick between 5 and 6, I'd try 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 5♦ 5♦. I thought i would be the only conservative player.2=2 in the majors is very negative. Would not be shockedif 5♦ failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 5♦. I thought i would be the only conservative player.2=2 in the majors is very negative. Would not be shockedif 5♦ failed.If only there was some long running suit to pitch those losers on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 If partner needs more than this he's gonna have to reevaluate his hand evaluation. Surely I'd have bid 2♥ with as much as xx xx Qxx AKQxxx, no? If partner was playing me for a specific singleton, and solid ♣ and 3 card ♦ support, we'll have to talk about it later. I don't see how I can not bid blackwood here (given the choices.) Pard is not staring at 2+ fast losers in 2 suits and bidding like this opposite a nonforcing 3♣ bid. If he's insane and has Axx Axx Axxxxx x I hope his suits break. I expect something like x Ax AKQxxxx xxx or better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 At the table your partner (me) had Axx AKx AK109xx x. Diamonds split 4-0 onside, but with clubs 3-3 that still meant 6D makes. Afterwards I thought I should have bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 If only there was some long running suit to pitch those losers on!Fine if partner has both aces. I would bid 5♦ and expect partner to bid 6 on his actual hand. He might have held AQx, KQx in the majors, he should realise he holds close to the best possible major suit holdings here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 If only there was some long running suit to pitch those losers on!True, but there's also a tempo issue. Opps have the lead, so they have tempo to (maybe) cash 2 or more tricks before we get a chance to run our long suit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Could I have bid 2H over 2D showing a good hand with clubs? Despite the ragged shape (although good that I have 3 diamonds) I prefer to overbid a little in competition when I could have made the NF 3C with KQ-7th club and out. Having said that I think 4D sets diamonds as trumps (with other diamond hands bidding 3M) so I will cue 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I would prefer 5NT to 6♦ if it wasn't interpreted as GSF. As it wasn't listed as one of the options (even to reject because it means GSF), I will assume I will not get much support. I should mention that I would rather bid 4NT (slam try), but 5NT would be a choice I would consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I would prefer 5NT to 6♦ So would I. if it wasn't interpreted as GSF. I should hope not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I would prefer 5NT to 6♦ if it wasn't interpreted as GSF. As it wasn't listed as one of the options (even to reject because it means GSF), I will assume I will not get much support. I should mention that I would rather bid 4NT (slam try), but 5NT would be a choice I would consider.You want to bid 5NT as choice of slams?Why??We have unexpected 3-card support in the suit that partner set as trumps all by himself. We have a potential ruff in two suits. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 At the table your partner (me) had Axx AKx AK109xx x. Diamonds split 4-0 onside, but with clubs 3-3 that still meant 6D makes. Afterwards I thought I should have bid 3NT. I like this auction. 1♦ - (2♦) - 3♣ - (p)3♥ - (p) - 4♦ - (p)4♠ - (p) - 5♣ - (p)6♦ - all pass Think you didn't need 3-3 clubs. RHO had to have 3+ clubs.Which he should have in this auction. Did dummy have the♦8? You can pitch two spades and ruff a heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 I've heard others say that partner should bid 4D over 3H. I'm not sure I believe it. Do people bid 3 small before they rebid there solid 6-card suit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 sorry cherdano I did it again. these damn buttons are very close to each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 I've heard others say that partner should bid 4D over 3H. I'm not sure I believe it. Do people bid 3 small before they rebid there solid 6-card suit? No obviously not. If it goes 3H-4C-4D then we can bid 4H safely at least. I think in retrospect you might have been able to envision the position you put partner in with a good hand and no major suit controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 I've heard others say that partner should bid 4D over 3H. I'm not sure I believe it. Do people bid 3 small before they rebid there solid 6-card suit? We're not playing this game in a vacuum.1♦ - (2♦) - 3♣ - (p)3♥ - (p) - 4♦ - (p) This auction isn't the same as1♦ - (p) - 2♣ - (p)2♥ - (p) - 3♣ - (p) In the first auction one opponent has shown 9 or 10+ majors. The likelihood that opener is bidding hearts with a suit is small. Opener has a 6-card diamond suit quite often and would like to know about your three card support. In the second auction he's showing 4=5 in hearts and diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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