Antrax Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Matchpoints.[hv=pc=n&e=s74hkq84da862cj32&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=1h1sp1n2ddp]133|200[/hv]According to partnership understanding, west's double is takeout-ish. Denies a minimum overcall and generally expects partner to do something smart by saying "hey, we can compete further, help me out here". So how does east help him out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 What were the colours? I think that East passes to help West out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 R/R, the diagram is accurate (also correct spot cards). As an aside, soon welcome to Haifa :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 2S. The alternative being 2H. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: Overlooked the fact, that they opened 1H, so 2H is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 I'm going to guess to pass. I think we beat it over half the time. Somebody's getting a top and somebody's getting a zero. I like 2♥ as a very close 2nd choice. Let partner place the contract. It should tend to show something like this. If he has ♠ that will play well opposite xx I think we'll hear about them soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Matchpoints.[hv=pc=n&e=s74hkq84da862cj32&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=1h1sp1n2ddp]133|200[/hv]According to partnership understanding, west's double is takeout-ish. Denies a minimum overcall and generally expects partner to do something smart by saying "hey, we can compete further, help me out here". So how does east help him out there? 3NT is still a possibility.Unlees they are red, and we not (in which case I pass), I would bid 2NT: confirming a good 1NT bid,and indicating the ♦ stopper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 2S. Our hand is not good, we have only a jack in partners suits and no fit. We don't have good enough diamonds to pass, and we expect to make 2S. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 I'm passing. We have nicely over 1/2 the deck and all defence, no offence cards. If they make this (which they might) it seems like they need the kind of distribution that will bury 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 At the table I passed, though after reading suggestions here 2♠ does sound like a good idea. 2♦ made +1 for an absolute bottom, but I think it was mainly due to a play mistake partner made: He chose to lead ♠A and dummy turned up with ♠QTxxx ♥x ♦xx ♣K or Q fifth, not sure. I played the ♠7 (standard count/attiture) and declarer played low. At this point he switched to a club that declarer won in dummy, played a heart to her ace, rufffed a heart, ruffed a spade, ruffed a heart, ruffed a club, conceded a diamond, ruffed my return, drew trumps, gave a heart to my K and lost another trick at the endgame. So, you will first of all notice that with a 6-5 distribution she chose to open her five card suit, and her partner didn't give a false preference, which is annoying to some degree. But more importantly, I think a trump lead or at least an immediate switch after cashing the spade ace is immediately obvious, since partner sees heart shortness in dummy and knows declarer must be short in spades, and knows declarer must have some losers in hearts due to my 1NT bid. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Yeah a trump switch stands out for -180? That shouldn't be a complete disaster as a 2♠ runout will/should be doubled and down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Isn't it 200 to us on a trump switch? I take the ♦A and lead back a trump. Now I have two heart winners (partner may have a third one if he has the J or T) and we can work on partner's club without allowing declarer a chance to use dummy's spades in any way. The bad guys take five diamond tricks, one heart and one club, not sure where their eighth will come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Isn't it 200 to us on a trump switch? I take the ♦A and lead back a trump. Now I have two heart winners (partner may have a third one if he has the J or T) and we can work on partner's club without allowing declarer a chance to use dummy's spades in any way. The bad guys take five diamond tricks, one heart and one club, not sure where their eighth will come from. Do you remember all 4 hands (at least the shapes of them if not all specific spots)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 I would bid 2♠ at any colors. Partner made a takeout double (alright, OP said a "takeout-ish" double). So, absent some very compelling reason to do otherwise, I takeout the double. A8xx of diamonds along with some heart cards is not a compelling reason to sit for 2♦x. I suspect that the opps will make 2♦ more than half the time on this auction when I hold this hand. If you reverse my red suits I would sit for 2♦x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Declarer had five hearts (AJxxx), six good diamonds (something like KQJxxx), a stiff club honor (I think) and a singleton small spade.Dummy had two small diamonds, the heart five, five spades QTxxx and five clubs with some honor fifth.I had the hand posted, partner had the rest. Don't think we could make 2♠ (though that's the call I would make in retrospect, if only because partner's declarer play is stronger than our partnership defense), but didn't really enjoy defending 2♦ doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Declarer had five hearts (AJxxx), six good diamonds (something like KQJxxx), a stiff club honor (I think) and a singleton small spade.Dummy had two small diamonds, the heart five, five spades QTxxx and five clubs with some honor fifth.I had the hand posted, partner had the rest. So the rest was something like a 5314 12-count? In that case I'd say double was, uh, slightly unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Oh. What was he supposed to do, then? Wait for me to balance? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Oh. What was he supposed to do, then? Wait for me to balance? It's sort of annoying to have to dig through the whole thread to reconstruct p's hand, but, if my abacus served me right, p was something like:AQxxx, xxx, x Axxx?It is, of course, a clear 1♠ overcall, but (and I might be resulting here) I think doubling 2♦ is a little much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Sorry, I don't remember what he had precisely, I think he had one more club honor (something like ATxx) and he had the spade AKJxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Looking at the score sheet, the other results for the board were +130, +120, +90 (?!) for the bad guys or -100, -200, -500 for our side, so I guess we were beating 2♦ on proper defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Oh. What was he supposed to do, then? Wait for me to balance? I have no idea why Lurpoa chose to downvote a followup question by the OP in the beginner-intermediate forum, but that does appear to be her mode of operation. --- edit ---oh look! this post also got voted down by Lurpoa. What a surprise! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Bummer, I was hoping the bump was someone telling me "oh yeah, so in retrospect you did great to pass the double" ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 It's sort of annoying to have to dig through the whole thread to reconstruct p's hand, but, if my abacus served me right, p was something like:AQxxx, xxx, x Axxx?It is, of course, a clear 1♠ overcall, but (and I might be resulting here) I think doubling 2♦ is a little much. I agree with this post. I do not see the point of doubling 2D on this hand. Overcaller heard the 1NT bid; overcaller heard the fact that I did not raise Spades; overcaller heard three suits bid; overcaller has 3 small cards in Hearts - the worst possible holding you can have; overcaller does not have a lot extra - even with the better hand of AKJxx of S, pass seems totally obvious.By the way, I would also opened 1H to get both suits in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I have no idea why Lurpoa chose to downvote a followup question by the OP in the beginner-intermediate forum, but that does appear to be her mode of operation. --- edit ---oh look! this post also got voted down by Lurpoa. What a surprise! Uh, and YOU haven't also done this in other threads Mat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Uh, and YOU haven't also done this in other threads Mat?I very much doubt I downvoted a n00b asking a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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