Suit quality or hcp quantity ?

[MrAce]

I have been picking up this kinda hands a lot lately and to be honest i dont like to jump in a bad suit, how do you guys handle these hands?

 

AQJ

Qxxxxx

AKJ

x

 

AKx

Kxxxxx

x

AQx

 

 

1♥--1NT

?

 

I tried to make a little search, and found out that some expert players play the jump rebid of opener's suit is % 100 about suit quality.

 

1-What is your priority ?

 

2-If your priority is suit quality, whats the minimum hand that you can jump with ? If not do you rebid a minor or just bid 2♥ ?

 

Thanks

 

EDIT: Please dont mention Gazilli, although i love it, i am interested in your style rather than conventions you use.

[nigel_k]

I would bid two of the minor with either of those examples and don't consider it close.

[Foxx]

With the first hand, I would raise to 2NT.

With the second hand, I would underbid slightly with 2♥.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

3H - in both cases.

 

We dont play Gazilli, so thats it.

You have to show the 6th heart, and you have to show the strength,

so this means? Make the jump rebid.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[JLOGIC]

2C on the second, 2S or 2D both seem fine on the first, I guess 2D is best but whatever. You cannot bid 3H on Hxxxxx. This is not the same as the recent thread where this hand type was a minimum type and could rebid 2H on 6 bad.

 

If partner passes 2 of your minor, they either have a stiff heart or a very weak hand. That is fine (the 1st hand is perhaps pushing it on how strong we are fine with that on). We might even belong in our minor as a trump suit opposite a stiff heart. If we bid 3H when partner passes that is bad, and he will have plenty of hands where he should raise on a stiff (esp stiff honor), which is obviously not good. Jump rebidding your suit is typically a 1 and a half loser suit at worst (like AQTxxx).

[MrAce]

This is not the same as the recent thread where this hand type was a minimum type and could rebid 2H on 6 bad.

 

Yes, i am aware they are different, and thats exactly what i was interested in to hear. Because after last topic, i was confused a bit and wondered what most expert players do with this.

 

So looking at replies (mostly) suit quality is priority when the hand is non minimum. Thanks all.

[Siegmund]

Suit quality does matter more than HCP do here... but these are 5-loser hands. With the honors distributed as they are, they are "just" adequate 3H bids, instead of being game forces or near to it. Give me Kxx AQJxxx AKJ x or something instead and I would feel like I was too heavy for 3H, and be fishing for a fake 2S bid or something.

 

That's in the context of a partnership where responder essentially never has less than 6 HCP. I imagine many posters in the thread expect less from a 1-level response, and more for a 3-level rebid, than I do.

[bluecalm]

Interesting system you guys play there :-)

I guess those are hands that - if made stronger by a Q - would jump to 3m ? :)

 

Decent system needs a way to handle strong hands. Even the best judgement in the world won't solve those issues imo although it's fun sometimes to be torn between reversing on 2 cards, jumping on 3, or hiding your major 6 carders ;)

 

Btw I would bid 2m on those playing 'American standard'. I think it gives the best shot at finding decent spot.

[Free]

EDIT: Please dont mention Gazzilli, although i love it, i am interested in your style rather than conventions you use.

FYP ;)

 

I think the best way to handle these intermediate hands is to rebid a 3 card minor. Partner will usually respond 2M in which case we can raise to 3M showing our strength.

[JLOGIC]

I don't even find 2m to be unpalatable here, if partner has a stiff heart we probably have 4 trump losers. In those cases, playing 2m is probably better than playing 3H. If partner does have 2 hearts and some values, they will bid at least 2H, then we can raise.

[xxhong]

I bid 2D in both hands to show 6 hearts and later after partner's possible 2H, I bid 2NT to show the extra value.

[gszes]

in both cases I am a 2s bidder. Keeps bidding low

informs p of extra power (which a tepid 2c or 2d

does not). No worries about p going crazy since

we cant have an 8 card spade fit. If p were to

rebid 2n u could pattern out (representing 4531)

with your minor suit and let p decide what to do.

If p has not raised hearts I have little worries

about hearts being the right place to play.

 

If p raises to 3h it is almost always going to

be 3 small hearts and minimum especially for

those that play constructive raises.

 

quality hugely impoortant for jumps in suit since

we are essentially naming it trumps and all of p

future bids revolve around that idea.

[dake50]

Since partner doesn't bypass 4+S, I have 2S now as a GF

usually with Hearts needing honor(s), letting 3H be good suit.

[jogs]

Pretty sure in MSC the plurality answer would be 2♦ on the first hand. The suit sucks for 3♥. Partner will be disappointed when he puts you in 6♥ with Kx or hearts and you lose two trump tricks. Rebidding hearts later implies six weak hearts.