losercover Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s72h932dkjt983cq9&w=sjt854h85d7cj5432&n=s9hat64da62cak876&e=sakq63hkqj7dq54ct&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1s2d3s6dppp]399|300[/hv] I learned to play bridge a long time ago and still not comfortable with unsound 2 level vulnerable overcalls. I thought it was fair to expect a reasonable hand. My partner says she can bid when she feels like it. My fault, for not cue bidding 4S to find out if her overcall was sound. If you partner overcalled 2D, what would you do with the North hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I would double 3♠, maybe we can find a heart fit and play there? But I'm gonna move and try for a slam, that's fo'shizzle. I wouldn't bid 2♦ with South's hand, not even playing aggresively. 3♦ looks better, it shows what the hand is about; and I wouldn't bid 3♦ being vulnerable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babalu1997 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 weak jump overcall to 3d you perhaps need a new partner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 My partner says she can bid when she feels like it. If that's really what she said, then you should feel like not playing with her anymore. If she feels like bidding on this hand (and I would) then she clearly should bid 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s72h932dkjt983cq9&w=sjt854h85d7cj5432&n=s9hat64da62cak876&e=sakq63hkqj7dq54ct&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1s2d3s6dppp]399|300[/hv] If you partner overcalled 2D, what would you do with the North hand. Double 3♠. Then after the session (or hand as is your preference) I'd ask my partner why she bid 2♦. If she said "I can bid when I feel like it" then that would be my last session playing with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Not a fan of 2♦. Not really a fan of 3♦ either. Suit is nice though holy, and the hand too balanced. with 3n,4♥, and 5-6♦ still possible double of 3♠ seems right, although a 4♠ call is not out of the question either, we have a very nice hand for a ♦ slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I would never bid with the south hand at this vul, looks like a normal pass to me. Doubling with the north hand seems very bad to me, what are you guys trying to accomplish? Defending 3Sx is likely to be a disaster, and in all other cases we probably just want to play 6D. Yes slam could have no play but I don't see how we can ever not bid it. Good practical hand evaluation by the original poster, IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Agree with clee. 2♦ isn't bridge, and an excuse like "I can bid when I feel like it" is pretty hopeless. Some people just like to hear themselves make noise, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 It's not unsound, it's ridiculous. Even opposite a passed partner, no reasonable player would bid 2♦ with her hand, regardless of vulnerability. It's either Pass or 3♦. What's pretty amazing is that 6♦ has a chance with a friendly lie of the opponents' cards. If clubs are no worse than 4-2, you just have to find the ♦Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I would never bid with the south hand at this vul, looks like a normal pass to me.Same here. 2♦ in particular is absurd. I would not call 3♦ either while vul .. but at least it's in the realm of sanity. As for south's remark .. it shows he has no interest in including his partner on what he is doing. No need to play with him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 After 2♦ a raise to slam seems normal. Even with that load of junk across, it has chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I remember getting told off by the England U25 coach for bidding 3D on these hands with 7 diamonds, let alone 6. Pass, pass & pass some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 2♦ is ridiculous. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 the 6D bid is fine 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I also agree that 6♦ is a good practical bid. Moreover, I think 6♦ might even make on this garbage layout, on a great day. Suppose you get a spade lead and a switch to a club, the most helpful defense for you. You win the club in hand, noting the fall of the 10. Ruff a spade. Diamond Ace, hooking the diamond because RHO opened, perhaps. Now, you have six natural diamonds, a spade ruff, three clubs, and a heart, for 11 tricks. If you also find the play of floating the club 9 around, that's the 12th trick. The same thing happens with a spade-spade attack, or a spade-trump attack, or a trump-spade-trump attack, and other variations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Wow, Ken's right. I didn't notice the club spot cards earlier, I just saw the bad break. Probably the only troublesome lead is a heart. Does this suggest that he should have bid 7♦, since 6♦ makes with a hand at least an ace below what he was expecting? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I also agree that 6♦ is a good practical bid. Moreover, I think 6♦ might even make on this garbage layout, on a great day. Suppose you get a spade lead and a switch to a club, the most helpful defense for you. You win the club in hand, noting the fall of the 10. Ruff a spade. Diamond Ace, hooking the diamond because RHO opened, perhaps. Now, you have six natural diamonds, a spade ruff, three clubs, and a heart, for 11 tricks. If you also find the play of floating the club 9 around, that's the 12th trick. The same thing happens with a spade-spade attack, or a spade-trump attack, or a trump-spade-trump attack, and other variations.Yeah, provided the late entry is not removed by a heart switch it can be made, swap the 8 and 9 of clubs and it's always there if you read it right. Partner can have some fairly normal 2♦ overcalls where 6♦ doesn't make, but it's a pretty good practical bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I too would bid 6♦. It's a good dive against their spade game....... not what I had in mind though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Does this suggest that he should have bid 7♦, since 6♦ makes with a hand at least an ace below what he was expecting? :)maybe. which shows 4NT is the correct bid here :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s72h932dkjt983cq9&w=sjt854h85d7cj5432&n=s9hat64da62cak876&e=sakq63hkqj7dq54ct&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1s2d3s6dppp]399|300[/hv] I learned to play bridge a long time ago and still not comfortable with unsound 2 level vulnerable overcalls. I thought it was fair to expect a reasonable hand. My partner says she can bid when she feels like it. My fault, for not cue bidding 4S to find out if her overcall was sound. If you partner overcalled 2D, what would you do with the North hand. ♥ No, 2♦ is awfull. And also a vulnerable 3♦ bid is not good. And indeed, 6♦ might be the practical bid in this competitive auction.... On the other side, we might have a grand slam, or might be missing 2 keycards: 4♠ or 4NT is my bid (depending on agreements with parter): at least Partner, will get the message, that we own this hand......even if they further compete with 5♠. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Hi, #1 Making this 2D call undiscussed, is ..., #2 Because of the colors, the hand is also not worth a 3D bid, but if one wants to bid, 3D is the bid. You will have some company, by those young and wild at heart, ..., I used to live near a hospital, where one could find lots of peoble, that are like minded and would bid 3D- they say, it was suprising that I was only living close by and not in the hospital as well.#3 6D is ok, although I would suggest to just invite. ... - You can count 6D tricks, 2 clubs, 1h, 1 ruff - this makes 10 tricks and p needs only Kxxxxx, if I count that way, than 6D seems not only clearcut, it may even be a underbid. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s72h932dkjt983cq9&w=sjt854h85d7cj5432&n=s9hat64da62cak876&e=sakq63hkqj7dq54ct&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1s2d3s6dppp]399|300[/hv] I learned to play bridge a long time ago and still not comfortable with unsound 2 level vulnerable overcalls. I thought it was fair to expect a reasonable hand. My partner says she can bid when she feels like it. My fault, for not cue bidding 4S to find out if her overcall was sound. If you partner overcalled 2D, what would you do with the North hand. You need to develop table feel. If your partner had her sound overcall, what were opponents' bidding with?? Your LHO did open 1S. Your RHO did 3S. They had to have something for their calls. 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 You need to develop table feel. If your partner had her sound overcall, what were opponents' bidding with?? Your LHO did open 1S. Your RHO did 3S. They had to have something for their calls.I would much rather trust partner in these situations, especially since this is not a time when partner would ever even consider psyching. East would have made the exact same opening bid without the ♥KQ... This is not something about table feel, it's something about how to play bridge, and the 2♦ overcall is not bridge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 You need to develop table feel. If your partner had her sound overcall, what were opponents' bidding with?? Your LHO did open 1S. Your RHO did 3S. They had to have something for their calls. 3S is a preempt. 1S is just an opening bid. Partner can easily have 10, 11, 12 HCP with 6 diamonds. Partner also might have less than that with 7 diamonds depending on your style, and slam will probably be good. We really don't need much to make slam. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 6♦ is reasonable gamble.2♦ is completely ridiculous and I am a fan of light overcalls. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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