Hanoi5 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Playing teams, red vs white you receive: ♠AJ♥AQ4♦AJT987xx♣--- Your RHO passes as dealer and you... Let's suppose you opened 2♣ (you can explain why it's not a good choice), LHO bids 5♣ (natural) and your partner bids 6♣. You have no agreement on this sequence with partner (who does? You can explain what you think it should be though) and RHO passes, what's your bid? For another take on the same hand: What about 1♦-5♣-X-Pass, what then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I really cannot conceive of another opening apart from 1D. 2C is not an option for me - a long minor and a paucity of honours in the hand do not a 2C opening make.This obviously affects your second question, but as you have started a guessing game, I guess to bid 6D. Over 1D (5C) X I pass. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 People here hate 2♣ openers so they will be quick to criticize it and be happy to give it full blame. But they are wrong. The real question is what to do after the preempt and the choice of opening does very little, if anything, to solve it. Anyway, regardless of opening 1♦ or 2♣, you're called to make a judgement bid afterwards. If it goes 2♣ 5♣ 6♣ ?? now 6♥ seems ok. Pard apparently has some sort of major 2-suiter. If diamonds were a possibility pard could have, perhaps, bid 5NT pick-a-slam. If, on the other hand, it goes 1♦ 5♣ dbl ?? I would probably bid a plain 5♦, maybe 6 if I feel lucky and/or need points. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I bid 6♦ in both cases. Not a huge fan of 2♣, but I can live with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I would not have opened 2♣. But now that i opened and pd bid 6♣, it seems like i have to find a way to get in pd's mind. Forcing pass was available but he did not, one can interprete this different ways. To me he should have a 2 suiter and i suspect he has majors. But i disagree with the remark "Who discusses this" I am pretty confident good pdships discussed what bid means what over a high level preempt after 2♣. Me and my pd did not discuss to be honest. But whatever...i am bidding my 8 card suit now, how many more times am i supposed to conceale this suit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 you can explain why it's not a good choiceHasn't LHO already done that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Hasn't LHO already done that? Please tell me how opening 1♦ would have worked considerably better. I'm very curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Please tell me how opening 1♦ would have worked considerably better. I'm very curious.I haven't seen partner's hand, but maybe a 1♦ opening would have saved us from having to play in 6♥ when we belong in 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I bid 6♦ in both cases. Not a huge fan of 2♣, but I can live with it.I agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Playing teams, red vs white ♠ AJ ♥ AQ4 ♦ AJT987xx ♣ ---Your RHO passes as dealer and you opened 2♣ (you can explain why it's not a good choice), LHO bids 5♣ (natural) and your partner bids 6♣. Bid 6♦. Partner has something like [sP} Kxxxx ♥ Kxxxx ♦ - ♣ AxxYour 2♣ opener has worked quite well :). Partner will probably play in 6♥ with chances in spite of likely bad breaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I like 2♣ and 6♦ now. 9.5 tricks with first round control in every suit is plenty for 2♣ imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 People here hate 2♣ openers so they will be quick to criticize it and be happy to give it full blame. But they are wrong. LOL and you are, of course, right? I don't suppose you have a bidding book coming out anytime so that I can burn and replace all of my existing texts with your masterpiece? ---I try to avoid opening 2c on hands where I am not afraid that the auction will fizzle. we are missing a suit, we have relatively short majors and we do not have an overwhelmingly large number of hcp. opening a natural ♦ gives my side at least one natural call to draw an inference from, rather than having p be completely in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I can't live with 2♣. Think 1♦ is totally normal. Also the argument that it doesn't matter is just silly, unless you're telling me that there are no hands in which partner bids 6C after a 2C opener but not a 1D opener, which I don't believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Bid 6♦Partner has something like [sP} Kxxxx ♥ Kxxxx ♦ - ♣ AxxYour 2♣ opener has worked quite wel :). Partner will probably play in 6♥ with chances in spite of likely bad breaks.And what if you've got the hand you're just as likely to hold like A, x, AKQJ10xxx, Kxx, I'm sure you'll enjoy playing 6♥ or 7♦. I would open 1♦ rather than 2♣. There are hands where opps will bid 5♣ over 2♣ but do a bit less if 1♦ is opened. I think 6♦ is my hand above, 6♣ is the hand in the original post IF you've opened 1♦. Having opened 2♣, I don't think you can distinguish between the two hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I would open 1♦ but if you change the diamonds to a major its an easy 2♣ opener. I really don't what partner is doing with 6♣. It seems 5N and then 6♥ would say "pick a major". I guess we can figure out in the post mortem if I'm supposed to bid 7♦ or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Partner had 6C, 5N, pass then 5N, pass then 6C available. Who has any clue what the difference of all of them is? I'd guess partner has the majors. Likewise over 1D 5C X p ? we have 5N and 6C available, what is the difference? Who knows, I wish 6C would be a really good 6D bid with 5N our bid when we have a slam bid with doubt about strain, but I would just bid 6D in real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Partner forcing slam with an aceless hand (well maybe CA).He must be stuffed with the K's I need.LHO long in clubs upping my chances to win anywhich finesse.I'm in for 7D. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 I haven't seen partner's hand, but maybe a 1♦ opening would have saved us from having to play in 6♥ when we belong in 5♦. That was a political answer, right? I.e. the kind that leaves the question untouched B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 LOL and you are, of course, right? I don't suppose you have a bidding book coming out anytime so that I can burn and replace all of my existing texts with your masterpiece? I was going to reply to this, but then I saw you're marked as a resident troll, so I will follow the canonical advise of not feeding the trolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Partner had 6C, 5N, pass then 5N, pass then 6C available. Who has any clue what the difference of all of them is? I'd guess partner has the majors. Likewise over 1D 5C X p ? we have 5N and 6C available, what is the difference? Who knows, I wish 6C would be a really good 6D bid with 5N our bid when we have a slam bid with doubt about strain, but I would just bid 6D in real life. Well, you know better than most of us not to overcook stuff in undiscussed situations. I would just say 5NT = pick-a-slam type, so majors with tolerance for diamonds.6♣ = just majors I guess. Other variants I would just take them as above and ask pard later what he had in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 That was a political answer, right? I.e. the kind that leaves the question untouched B-)Well you did ask a question that's impossible to answer without seeing partner's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 People here hate 2♣ openers so they will be quick to criticize it and be happy to give it full blame. But they are wrong.I was going to reply to this, but then I saw you're marked as a resident troll, so I will follow the canonical advise of not feeding the trolls. OK then I'll say it. LOL and you are, of course, right? I don't suppose you have a bidding book coming out anytime so that I can burn and replace all of my existing texts with your masterpiece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 Don't be silly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Don't be silly.lol and you are saying other people are giving political answers... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Partner had 6C, 5N, pass then 5N, pass then 6C available. Who has any clue what the difference of all of them is? I'd guess partner has the majors. I doubt whether many pairs have discussed this. Partner may be 3-suited or have three possible 2-suiters. Assuming X = penatly, perhaps 5N = Red or pointy suits. 6♣ = 3-suiter or majors. But by using the forcing pass, you could distinguish all these, by agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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