rduran1216 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dp1h2c2hpp2n]133|100[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dp1h2c2hpp2n]133|100[/hv] Bidding 3♣ with a promissing hand, not suitable for DBL probably due to ♠ (not just balancing with 6 card suit, extras) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 If 1♦ doesn't promise four then this should shows 4♦6♣. Otherwise I suppose it is a very strong 2♣ overcall with a heart stopper. In principle I don't like having different defense against two almost-identical systems, here 4442 and 4433 styles of 5-card majors. But the thing is that 2NT is like bidding diamonds so what it means depends on whether we can belong in diamonds or not on this auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I'd say is a takeout for the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 Solid ♣ and ♥ stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 2NT needs 23-24 hcp to make... I don't think this 2NT can be natural, even taking into account pard should have a few hcps. I'd say 6♣+4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 6♣ and 4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 2NT in these auctions could mean either a "good 3♣ overcall" or a 4♦6♣ hand. To me, neither interpretation seems to have any sizeable frequency, but I guess 4♦6♣ is going to come up more often. Note that you should have good diamonds for this bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 What is the purpose of good 3C bid? You could have doubled and bid clubs, you didn't, your partner could have bid but didn't. This one is obviously diamonds and clubs. I also don't understand why this shows 4 diamonds and 6 clubs, what are you supposed to do with 5 diamonds and 6 clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Sure, I agree that a good 3♣ is quite silly. I guess I was understating the frequency/utility of both minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I also don't understand why this shows 4 diamonds and 6 clubs, what are you supposed to do with 5 diamonds and 6 clubs? huh... 6-4 or 6-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 2NT needs 23-24 hcp to make... I don't think this 2NT can be natural, even taking into account pard should have a few hcps. oh c'mon. You could have xx Ax Axx AKQxxx which is 8running tricks and partner will picture it's perfectly;That being said I think ♣ + ♦ is better in this auction. As we are at it, what about: 1♦ 1♠ pass 2♠2NT = ? (assuming 18-20 bal is not possible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I agree with you Helene, answer to the OP question may vary depending on what their 1♦ shows. On the other hand there are other ways to show ♦ and keep the 2NT where it belongs. It depends on the style of 2♣ overcall though, does it deny 4 card ♠ ? If so using 2♠ bid later can be used to show ♦. If 2♣ bid doesnt deny 4 cards ♠ then 2♠ later natural and DBL followed by 3♣ can shows diamonds. I dont even think DBL in pass out seat by overcaller shows neccesarily a strong hand. But this depends on how agressive our pd's overcalls are. If he is someone who can pass 1♦ with KQxxx xxx Qxxx x, then my dbl means nothing about strength. 2NT needs 23-24 hcp to make... I don't think this 2NT can be natural, even taking into account pard should have a few hcps.I'd say 6♣+4♦. Ok, but in another topic some people here agreed that opening and responding can be made 11 vs 2 hcp. (which i agree) Also for making 3 NT u need 26 hcps, but you overcall 3 NT over a 3 level preempt with 18 hcp and stopper(s). this is much safer here, since pd know where to run if things get ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 oh c'mon. You could have xx Ax Axx AKQxxx which is 8running tricks and partner will picture it's perfectly;That being said I think ♣ + ♦ is better in this auction. As we are at it, what about: 1♦ 1♠ pass 2♠2NT = ? (assuming 18-20 bal is not possible) Why would you overcall 2C with that hand? Seems perfect to double and bid clubs (or NT, depending on auction). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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