the hog Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s876h7654d7432ct2&w=s95hqt3dj85caq854&n=sqt432haj92dq6c96&e=sakjhk8dakt9ckj73]399|300[/hv]399|300[/hv] Would you blame West for missing this slam? 2NT shows 21-22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I assume the bidding would go2NT - 3S- C-xfer4D - 4H- Criss-cross key ask6C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=s876h7654d7432ct2&w=s95hqt3dj85caq854&n=sqt432haj92dq6c96&e=sakjhk8dakt9ckj73]399|300[/hv]399|300[/hv] Would you blame West for missing this slam? 2NT shows 21-22. I think you forgot to insert the bidding. :) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Yes, always blame West. I am always North or East. But, it looks like a 23 to me, and to KNR. Still not a great slam, and we don't have the tools to decide. Depends on how frisky we feel at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 You'd need to be a bit optimistic to try for a slam with the west hand. Other than some gadget to show a club slam try on a 5332 (which few, if any, have), the only way I see to bid this slam is with a strong club system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 But, it looks like a 23 to me, and to KNR. I agree with this. Counting East as 22 HCP means that you you do not upgrade 1 HCP for the fact that you have... 1. Every honor working2. A 10-9 coupled with two other honors3. High control count (8 controls; 8X2.33=26.67, 26.67-22=4.67, 4.67=+1)4. Not 4-3-3-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Agree with the 2NT opening. If W did anything positive, obviously E has to move, but I wouldn't blame W for just bidding 3NT. Aquahombre, why is it not a good slam? 6NT may not be so good but in 6♣ you can combine several options. Play a low heart to the king. If N steps up with the ace you are home. Otherwise, now a low heart to the ten. If the jack is onside, you are home. Assuming ♥T loses to the jack, now cash ♦AK. If ♦Q does not drop, your last chance is a spade finesse. Looks like some 79% to me. Maybe there are squeeze chances also. Edit: thanks, rhm, for pointing out the flaw in this argument. If South wins the first heart trick we can't afford to take another heart finesse as we are now down if the T loses to the J. If my 79% is correct when ♥A is with N then over-all we will have appr 69%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Helene: it is fine slam for clubs, but I already knew that wasn't going to happen if I were bidding it. Less options in 6N, maybe stalling a bit but all boing down to finding four tricks in diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Agree with the 2NT opening. If W did anything positive, obviously E has to move, but I wouldn't blame W for just bidding 3NT. Aquahombre, why is it not a good slam? 6NT may not be so good but in 6♣ you can combine several options. Play a low heart to the king. If N steps up with the ace you are home. Otherwise, now a low heart to the ten. If the jack is onside, you are home. Assuming ♥T loses to the jack, now cash ♦AK. If ♦Q does not drop, your last chance is a spade finesse. Looks like some 79% to me. Maybe there are squeeze chances also.79% is certainly too much, though 6♣ is worth bidding, particularly if it is played from East. If South has the heart ace, your chances drop to less than 60%My guess is overall chances are less than 70% The East hand is worth more in a trump contract. KNR is not a good elevator for notrump contracts. This is a recurring problem of 2NT openers. What do you do with balanced hands which would be worth more in a suit contract? Maybe the lesser defect is to upgrade to a 2♣ opener. But if your 2NT rebid then gets raised on a minimum you likely will be in a no-play 3NT Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I assume the bidding would go2NT - 3S- C-xfer4D - 4H- Criss-cross key ask6C.I can't find "criss-cross key ask" anywhere. Could you please explain these bids? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I can see East accepting any kind of minor suit slamtry. I just can't imagine West "asking" here .... ( not enough hcp, no 6+ long suit... not even a 5/4 ... and no shortness anywhere ) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 2NT - 3NTNext board imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I can see East accepting any kind of minor suit slamtry. I just can't imagine West "asking" here .... ( not enough hcp, no 6+ long suit... not even a 5/4 ... and no shortness anywhere ) . Had I opened 2C we would have got there:2C 3C would show a positive with HHxxx. Now I think it is not that difficult. Our auction was the pedestrian 2N 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I blame whoever tried to place blame. (No blame.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 We'd reach 6♣ but only because we play 2N good 19-21 so have to open 2♣ intending to show 22-23, after a 2♣-3♣ start, we're virtually certain to bid it. Playing the OP's system, it's a nice 22 but not exceptional, I probably wouldn't upgrade the opening bid (it's close, make the 2 jacks a queen or give me a 5 card suit and I would), so routine 2N-3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I blame north for having all the important cards. 2N-3N, wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I blame north for having all the important cards. 2N-3N, wtp? I dont think the loacation of honors except than ♦ Q matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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