dake50 Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 D-x to partner's D-Kx, back to my D-AQ, D-out for trump promote or wait for S-K wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Seems to me that both a ♣ lead and a ♥ lead mean one off if that was the layout.[hv=pc=n&s=sqt932haq53djca87&w=sk74h74daq532c632&n=s5hkjt2dk9874ck54&e=saj86h986dt6cqjt9]399|300[/hv] Declarer wins the club lead in hand and plays a diamond. If you duck, he wins the king and plays a spade, then crossruffs. If you take the ace of diamonds and play a club or a heart, he wins, cashes ♦K, draws trumps, and concedes a diamond. On a trump lead, you can afford to duck the diamond, then win the spade continuation and play a second trump. That holds declarer to six trumps and three side winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sqt932haq53djca87&w=sk74h74daq532c632&n=s5hkjt2dk9874ck54&e=saj86h986dt6cqjt9]399|300[/hv] Declarer wins the club lead in hand and plays a diamond. If you duck, he wins the king and plays a spade, then crossruffs. If you take the ace of diamonds and play a club or a heart, he wins, cashes ♦K, draws trumps, and concedes a diamond. On a trump lead, you can afford to duck the diamond, then win the spade continuation and play a second trump. That holds declarer to six trumps and three side winners. Oh yes didn't notice the strong ♦ pips in dummy, but now you can make 10 tricks on both a ♥ and a ♣ lead. If you get a trump lead, simply run the ♦ J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sqt932haq53djca87&w=sk74h74daq532c632&n=s5hkjt2dk9874ck54&e=saj86h986dt6cqjt9]399|300[/hv] Declarer wins the club lead in hand and plays a diamond. If you duck, he wins the king and plays a spade, then crossruffs. If you take the ace of diamonds and play a club or a heart, he wins, cashes ♦K, draws trumps, and concedes a diamond. On a trump lead, you can afford to duck the diamond, then win the spade continuation and play a second trump. That holds declarer to six trumps and three side winners. Oh yes didn't notice the strong ♦ pips in dummy, but now you can make 10 tricks on both a ♥ and a ♣ lead. If you get a trump lead, simply run the ♦ J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sqt932haq53djca87&w=sk74h74daq532c632&n=s5hkjt2dk9874ck54&e=saj86h986dt6cqjt9]399|300[/hv] Declarer wins the club lead in hand and plays a diamond. If you duck, he wins the king and plays a spade, then crossruffs. If you take the ace of diamonds and play a club or a heart, he wins, cashes ♦K, draws trumps, and concedes a diamond. On a trump lead, you can afford to duck the diamond, then win the spade continuation and play a second trump. That holds declarer to six trumps and three side winners. Oh yes didn't notice the strong ♦ pips in dummy, but now you can make 10 tricks on both a ♥ and a ♣ lead. If you get a trump lead, simply run the ♦ J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Oh yes didn't notice the strong ♦ pips in dummy, but now you can make 10 tricks on both a ♥ and a ♣ lead. If you get a trump lead, simply run the ♦ J I don't see how that helps. As soon as the defence win a spade trick, they'll play another trump. Doesn't that hold declarer to six trumps, two clubs and one diamond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I don't see how that helps. As soon as the defence win a spade trick, they'll play another trump. Doesn't that hold declarer to six trumps, two clubs and one diamond? No. How are you planning to stop declarer building a second ♦ trick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sqt932haq53djca87&w=sk74h74daq532c632&n=s5hkjt2dk9874ck54&e=saj86h986dt6cqjt9]399|300[/hv] Declarer wins the club lead in hand and plays a diamond. If you duck, he wins the king and plays a spade, then crossruffs. If you take the ace of diamonds and play a club or a heart, he wins, cashes ♦K, draws trumps, and concedes a diamond. On a trump lead, you can afford to duck the diamond, then win the spade continuation and play a second trump. That holds declarer to six trumps and three side winners. Andy....with all due respect, what happens with the defense you suggest, if declarer has the ♠ A and pd ♣ A ? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 No. How are you planning to stop declarer building a second ♦ trick?I'm not sure exactly what sequence of plays you have in mind, but after ♦J, spade, trump, ♦K to the ace, we play ♠K, spade. If he plays another diamond immediately, East ruffs; if he draws the trump first we can cash another spade. It's true, I think, that declarer can make by playing ♦J, ♣K, ♦K, but I'm not sure why he would play this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Andy....with all due respect, what happens with the defense you suggest, if declarer has the ♠A and pd ♣A ?Partner has had a chance to give suit preference in trumps at trick one, so we might have some idea. But anyway, if declarer has AQxxx AQxx J xxx and we duck, it's not clear that he's going to make. He might put the king up and take a spade finesse, or even if he runs ♦J he might now play a club. (Sorry about the nonsense I posted in an earlier version of this post - too early in the morning.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I'm not sure exactly what sequence of plays you have in mind, but after ♦J, spade, trump, ♦K to the ace, we play ♠K, spade. If he plays another diamond immediately, East ruffs; if he draws the trump first we can cash another spade. It's true, I think, that declarer can make by playing ♦J, ♣K, ♦K, but I'm not sure why he would play this way. I play your first line, when east ruffs the ♦, he can't play a ♠ without setting up a trick, so win the ♣ in hand, ruff a ♠ and concede a ♦ to west who has no more ♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 OK, I think I understand: you mean trump, ♦J, spade, trump, ♦K to A, ♠K, spade ruff, diamond ruffed and overuffed, spade ruff, diamond exit? I agree that works, but it's also not a very credible line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 OK, I think I understand: you mean trump, ♦J, spade, trump, ♦K to A, ♠K, spade ruff, diamond ruffed and overuffed, spade ruff, diamond exit? I agree that works, but it's also not a very credible line. You can discard a ♣ when the ♦ is ruffed, this is better I think, if East started with three ♠s . I'm not sure whyit's not credible a line you need to set up two additional tricks in either ♠s or ♦s and running the ♦J is not an unreasonable way to start the suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 You can discard a ♣ when the ♦ is ruffed, this is better I think, if East started with three ♠s .Maybe we're talking about two different lines? I think you've already lost a spade and ♦A, and you've already thrown your club loser on the second round of diamonds. Actually, in the position I think you're in (after trump lead, ♦J, spade, trump, ♦K to A, ♠K, spade ruff, diamond) there's another, simpler way for declarer to make: just overruff and set the spades up by ruffing, with ♣A as an entry for casing the long one. This is an unusual variation on the "reserve trumps" theme: declarer draws East's trump by leading a loser through him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Maybe we're talking about two different lines? I think you've already lost a spade and ♦A, and you've already thrown your club loser on the second round of diamonds. Actually, in the position I think you're in (after trump lead, ♦J, spade, trump, ♦K to A, ♠K, spade ruff, diamond) there's another, simpler way for declarer to make: just overruff and set the spades up by ruffing, with ♣A as an entry for casing the long one. This is an unusual variation on the "reserve trumps" theme: declarer draws East's trump by leading a loser through him. There are lots of ways you can make, throwing a ♣ when the ♦ is ruffed, leads to a double squeeze, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Partner has had a chance to give suit preference in trumps at trick one, so we might have some idea. I have a lot to say, in response to this, but then we can never get out of this topic at the top of hijacking the thread :D (Sorry about the nonsense I posted in an earlier version of this post - too early in the morning.) Dont worry, i didnt even see what it was :P Back to the topic, i still stand by what i said earlier, which was stating that nothing was auto or so clear about this lead. Different choice by very good players in this topic supports my argument. Heck..EVEN AFTER seeing the dummy, it seems like we need to play suit preference in trump suit to figure if our lead was good or not. Or we have to duck the ♦ J when played toward's dummy's Kxxxx and we hold AQxxx so that our auto lead works...wow. Of course no need to mention, since we play suit preference in trump suit, not count, we also somehow know declarer doesnt have 5♥. When i become as good player as you Andy and can figure and sort all these things at the table, i will lead ♥ and claim that i wont even look at my hand for doing it :P But untill then, for me it is not as clear as it is to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 I didn't say that a trump would always turn out to be the right lead. Obviously if we have three clubs and a diamond to take on top I'd prefer to have led a club. Not did I suggest that the actual layout justified my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 There are lots of ways you can make, throwing a ♣ when the ♦ is ruffed, leads to a double squeeze, .Are you sure about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Are you sure about that? Yes I am sure, pitch a ♠ on the ♦K. THey have to play a ♣ when they ruff the ♦. Win the ♣in hand. Ruff♠, ruff ♦, play last trump to effect double squeeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Yes I am sure, pitch a ♠ on the ♦K. THey have to play a ♣ when they ruff the ♦. Win the ♣in hand. Ruff♠, ruff ♦, play last trump to effect double squeeze. Sorry, I thought you said you were pitching a club (in fact, you did, but I see now that it was just a typo). I was wondering how you proposed to play a double squeeze with a pivot suit of A opposite Kxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 Sorry, I thought you said you were pitching a club (in fact, you did, but I see now that it was just a typo). I was wondering how you proposed to play a double squeeze with a pivot suit of A opposite Kxx. I said I was pitching a ♣when they ruffed the ♦, I don't think I stated what i was pitching on the♦K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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