Bidding over neg DBL

[MrAce]

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MP, What would you bid and please tell why. (Standart methods, assume u play with a p/u pd, i am not asking pdship agreements)

 

Thanks

[Lurpoa]

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MP, What would you bid and please tell why. (Standart methods, assume u play with a p/u pd, i am not asking pdship agreements)

 

Thanks

 

♥

2♦.

On which I will hear to all probablity: 2♥

 

Partner show a hand with 5♥s (at least), less than 3♠s and not stong enough for a direct 2♥ bid (we do not play NFB); ie around 8H.

On this I will bid 2♠; hopefully he understands this is the end; only with Ax in spades, he could take further action.

[Cyberyeti]

Since just about the first agreement I make with a pickup partner is "2N rarely to play, lebensohl or scramble where appropriate", I'd bid 3♦ by whichever route I'd agreed was the good hand.

 

If that is not available, I'd bid 3♣.

[Onedown]

What is the problem here? In standard methods, partner could have 5h+s if less than a good 10 HCP. Otherwise he makes a Free 2H call. So we assume 4 Hs and 8+ or 5+ Hs and less than a good 10 HCP.

Whatever way I do not want to miss a possible diamond slam and since I am void in Hs and a badly positioned AQx of clubs I am happy with 2 Diamonds and will see what comes.

[Free]

I'd just bid 2♠, after the 2♣ overcall and the negative Dbl my hand isn't worth that much. If it's a misfit I want to stay low, and I have too many slow values to start jumping.

[P_Marlowe]

3D (my choice, though wtp - until I saw, I have 6 spades) or 3S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[MrAce]

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Pd had this hand.

 

Those who bid 2♠ would play it there for a % 80 score. those who bids 2♦ would peobably still play 2♠ but after this auction GIB gave them a better defense in 2 ♠

 

At the table i bid 3♠ and i am convinced with the explenations here that this was an ambitious choice. Pd raised to 4♠ but 3♠ was bad enough.

 

Thanks for the replies.

[gszes]

I came late to the party so I know both hands

 

KQJ832------KQJ832

void--------432

QJ84--------A2

AQ6---------A2

 

two opening hands roughly equivalent in HCP

 

you open both 1s and lho bids 2c and your p x then pass

to you what do you do next? the hand on the left seems

to have a ton of potential while the one on the right

seems much more pedestrian. One might be tempted to

bid 3s with left hand and a more conservative 2s with

the right hand and both would be wrong because p hand

is xx AKJx xxx xxxx and 3s is too high with left hand and

2s too small with right hand. Point is opps have 9

hearts and p manages to have 100% of their minimum tox

in your void. This wont happen often so dont let a small

% probability hand negatively influence your future thinking.

 

If this were IMPS I would bid 3d (because I do not fear 5d like

I do at MP)

 

At MP I am torn between 3s and 3c and would probably lean

toward 3s since I am not crazy about club Q (though it will

almost surely make defending the hand tougher) switch my hand to

KQJ832 void AJ84 A32 and I would bid 3c.

 

As an aside if playing SAYC and p bid 2h I would now have a tendency

to become more conservative because p heart length and concentration

of values swings much more toward being in hearts than it does after

a neg x (with opps maybe holding 9 hearts):))))