BunnyGo Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa743ha8dakj52cj6&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=pp1dpp1n(11-14%20%5Bso%2011%5D)]133|200[/hv] What should South bid now? The scoring is IMPs. Do you think this should have been avoided by opening 1NT (15-17) the first time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Partner passed 1♦? Where is this hand going? I don't mind defending 1N with this hand, and partner can still bid in the pass-out seat. On a good day, LHO will raise with his off-shape 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 X - what else? 1D is normal, if you want to sell the hand as bal., sell it as +18. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 -I dont have the fear of missing game, pd passed. -I cant show my 2 suits and still play at 2 level if pd returns to ♦ -I am not unhappy with defending 1NT or any other contract. So i pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobElliott Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa743ha8dakj52cj6&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=pp1dpp1n(11-14%20%5Bso%2011%5D)]133|200[/hv] What should South bid now? The scoring is IMPs. Do you think this should have been avoided by opening 1NT (15-17) the first time?PASS....WTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I agree that the hand is too strong to open 1NT, so 1♦ is it. At this point, I also agree that I do not mind defending 1NT. However, I am not convinced that I will be defending 1NT. Just because I like the current contract is not a reason to pass, if I expect the auction to continue and if I would be helped by bidding. The question that is important to me, therefore, is whether I will be helped if I make a call here. The opponents have three possible strains, other than notrump, to consider. If they get into hearts, I have little problem -- I can handle that because I have spades and diamonds. If they get into spades, I am pleased. If they get into clubs, we might want to compete to 3♦, and we might get jacked out of that by their auction to 3♣. But, I don't feel that strongly about this possible risk to bid 2♦. So, I think I'll pass. Interesting side thought, perhaps. Maybe a double here should show diamonds and hearts, the pattern where opposition bidding might be more problematic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa743ha8dakj52cj6&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=pp1dpp1n(11-14%20%5Bso%2011%5D)]133|200|As opener. 1♦ seems OK andPass seems OK now.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted June 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Thanks all for your thoughts. I've including the full hand and play below. As you can see, it did not go well after bidding 2♠. I was sitting East, and I think 1NT was ok but maybe it was pushy. [hv=pc=n&s=sa743ha8dakj52cj6&w=skqjt9hq32d987ct8&n=s85ht965dt4ca9732&e=s62hkj74dq63ckq54&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=pp1dpp1n(11%20pts)2sp3dppp&p=sks5s2s3sqs8s6sas4sjd4d6ckc6c8cah5h4hah2s7s9dtdqhkh8h3h6h7djhqh9dad7c2d3dkd8c3c4d5d9c7c5stc9hjd2cjctht]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Thanks all for your thoughts. I've including the full hand and play below. As you can see, it did not go well after bidding 2♠. I was sitting East, and I think 1NT was ok but maybe it was pushy. [hv=pc=n&s=sa743ha8dakj52cj6&w=skqjt9hq32d987ct8&n=s85ht965dt4ca9732&e=s62hkj74dq63ckq54&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=pp1dpp1n(11%20pts)2sp3dppp&p=sks5s2s3sqs8s6sas4sjd4d6ckc6c8cah5h4hah2s7s9dtdqhkh8h3h6h7djhqh9dad7c2d3dkd8c3c4d5d9c7c5stc9hjd2cjctht]399|300[/hv] ♥ this shows how dangerous it is to undertake any action.For IMPS, really not wothwhile, to risk a disaster. At the best we can make 2♦ or 2♠, but if we can, there is a good chance 1NT goes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 I would probably open this 1N (I'm allowed a max every once in a while, and the Jx of clubs and bad spots are negative features to offset the aces and good 5 card suit...). Having opened 1D, I'm thrilled to let them play 1N, so I pass. Also, Partner would stretch to bid 1M over 1♦ with any values, so I'm not going looking for some spade fit on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 I think that:- West has a 2♠ overcall.- East's 1NT is OK.- If South is going to act, he should double. I think this shows the equivalent of a balanced 18-count, but with some playing strength.- South's should probably pass, because his suits aren't very good.- South should have played it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 - West has a 2♠ overcall. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Definitely agree with 1S by west. I think that opening 1NT with the south hand is a joke Gibson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Definitely agree with 1S by west.Agreeing with something requires either that it happened or that someone has suggested that it should. I don't think either of those things apply here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Imo the hand is way too good for a 1NT opening, so 1♦ is fine.West has a ♠ overcall. Depending on style it's 1♠ or 2♠ (or 3♠ for some lunatics).Over East's 1NT, south shouldn't bid 2♠ imo, I'd just Dbl to show extra's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 ♥ this shows how dangerous it is to undertake any action.For IMPS, really not wothwhile, to risk a disaster. At the best we can make 2♦ or 2♠, but if we can, there is a good chance 1NT goes down.This translates to - if we get 90 or 110 in a contract of our own, we get 50 / 100 by beating 1NT, but 100 only if we beat it -2.After 2nd though, I am not saying anymore, that X is clear cut.But your argument is actually a argument for X at MP. Playing IMPs - if you make a X, the worst case scenario is, that they make 1NTx= or that we go down ina 2 level contract (the contract is hopefully a diamond contract), this can cost 200-500 vs. 90, ...although sometimes one makes it.Bidding 2S is ..., since you run the real risk playing 3D, and contracts on the 3 level get doubled moreeasily. With kind regardsMarlowe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 This translates to - if we get 90 or 110 in a contract of our own, we get 50 / 100 by beating 1NT, but 100 only if we beat it -2.After 2nd though, I am not saying anymore, that X is clear cut.But your argument is actually a argument for X at MP. Playing IMPs - if you make a X, the worst case scenario is, that they make 1NTx= or that we go down ina 2 level contract (the contract is hopefully a diamond contract), this can cost 200-500 vs. 90, ...although sometimes one makes it.Bidding 2S is ..., since you run the real risk playing 3D, and contracts on the 3 level get doubled moreeasily. With kind regardsMarlowe ♥Yes agreed.At MP a double is defendable; never 2♠! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 I agree that a 1♠ overcall is pusilanimous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Definitely agree with 1S by west. I think that opening 1NT with the south hand is a joke Gibson. Did you hear the one about the Turkish Bartender who opened 2♣ on 9 solid spades and out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 I really don't like 2♠. Double is not quite as bad but I strongly prefer pass. Double wins if they stay in 1NT and go down. But double makes it easier for opps to find a fit in hearts or clubs, and if they decide to stay in 1NTx there is no guarantee that it goes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 On a good day, LHO will raise with his off-shape 14. Can I have some of what you are smoking? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 I actually want to remind everyone, the famous hand where Fred Gittelman balanced with 9 hcp and Alan Sontag kept bidding despite the fact that his pd initially passed his opening, turned out to be a costly competition. So Phil, if your RHO is Fred, your LHO can actually have an off shape 14 :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 I actually want to remind everyone, the famous hand where Fred Gittelman balanced with 9 hcp and Alan Sontag kept bidding despite the fact that his pd initially passed his opening, turned out to be a costly competition. So Phil, if your RHO is Fred, your LHO can actually have an off shape 14 :P ♥ ... and that is why every excuse should be good to balance and protect partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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