After [1C] X [XX] - what's your choice?

[jules101]

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Do you pass or bid?

 

Please explain why you chose your action?

[whereagles]

It's an easy 1♠ bid. Why? huh.. it's text book: give priority to a major suit.

[mgoetze]

1♠, because that is the suit where we are most likely to have a fit.

 

Why don't I pass? Because keeping partner's life simple is the right thing to do.

[Siegmund]

Spelling it out a little more clearly for OP... it's a mandatory 1S bid. If you pass, you are telling partner that you like his suits equally well and want him to choose.

[nigel_k]

Pass.

 

I would have bid 1♠ without the redouble but I don't see any reason to introduce 9xxx when I don't need to and I have another place to play. Pass is easy, textbook, mandatory, and doesn't cause any problem for partner that I can see.

[twcho]

My regular partner and I have special partnership agreement. Whenever one pass over opponent's redouble, he shows desire to play this contract, i.e. the advancer must have long ♣ and he prefer to play 1♣XX. We DOESN'T pass the redouble in order for partner to pick a suit.

 

Back to this hand. Pass is not justified and 1♠ is the right choice for us.

[Antrax]

In my partnership, I would bid 1♠. We're looking for a safe home where we won't be penalized by the opponents, and I do like some suits more than others. 1♠ over 1♦ because our doubles tend to emphasize the majors, so doubling with 4-4 in the majors and 2 clubs is not unheard of, even with minimum HCP.

[Mbodell]

My regular partner and I have special partnership agreement. Whenever one pass over opponent's redouble, he shows desire to play this contract, i.e. the advancer must have long ♣ and he prefer to play 1♣XX. We DOESN'T pass the redouble in order for partner to pick a suit.

 

Back to this hand. Pass is not justified and 1♠ is the right choice for us.

 

I have this agreement with one partnership as well but it is only over minors, not majors. And I think it is only with unpassed hands. Any hand I'm confortable defending 1♣XX opposite a normal t/o double I'd have opened already.

[the hog]

1S is obvious.

[paulg]

1♠.

 

Pass works best when they are really planning to penalise us or when partner has a strong heart single-suiter, but bidding one spade looks normal.

[P_Marlowe]

1S.

 

The reason: Playing with an stranger, you have no idea, how he will

interpret Pass.

Pass could be no preference (this is our agreement) or it could be

willingness to play 1Cxx - I am not going to discuss the adv. / disadv.

of either treatment, just make sure you are on the same page as your p.

 

One thing is certain - I dont want to play 1Cxx, and I have a major,

hence I am going to show the major.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jules101]

Thanks all.

 

My choice was also 1♠.

 

I thought I'd bid my major, and if pard happened to double again I could always show him my lovely ♦ suit. :rolleyes:

 

My much more experienced pard suggested I should have passed, because bidding showed a 5+ card suit.

 

I have to say I'd not heard that before. On the contrary I've been advised in the past that it is important to show preference if I have any rather than leave pard in the dark. I just wanted to check out whether my action here was flawed. [i suffered from much flawed thinking!]

 

Thanks again for your thoughts and you explanations for your choices.

[nige1]

[hv=pc=n&n=s9763h6dq754ck764&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=p1cdr]133|200|IMO 1♦ = 10, 1♠ = 9. _P = 8.

Without the redouble you would bid 1♠ but now you are guaranteed another chance to bid,

so you may as well indicate the lead that you prefer, in an economical way.

At the one or two-level, over opponent's (or partner's) hearts you may elect to mention spades[/hv]

[P_Marlowe]

The downside of 1D is, that this may make it hard to show the spade suit,

e.g. if they located their fit.

Just because of the XX - I wont stop competing for the part score, if I

have a 8 card fit and the chance to play this on the 2 level.

 

I know, the king of clubs is badly placed, but ... oh well.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Lurpoa]

[hv=pc=n&n=s9763h6dq754ck764&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=p1cdr]133|200[/hv]

 

Do you pass or bid?

 

Please explain why you chose your action?

 

 

1♠, indicating a safe haven.

Partner must be: 4441, 4540, 5440, 4432... unless the redouble is not "correct" and he is very strong with probably ♥

 

Possibly 3442... which suits us less.......but....you cannot have it all....

[mgoetze]

Partner must be: 4441, 4540, 5440, 4432...

 

I predict that there are some surprises ahead of you.

[helene_t]

Pass.

 

I would have bid 1♠ without the redouble but I don't see any reason to introduce 9xxx when I don't need to and I have another place to play. Pass is easy, textbook, mandatory, and doesn't cause any problem for partner that I can see.

But if you pull 1♥ to 1♠, aren't you showing a stronger hand? I think it was in Bergen's "Points, Schmoints" that I read that pass-and-pull is the only way to show strength in this situation.

[paulg]

Partner must be: 4441, 4540, 5440, 4432...

I predict that there are some surprises ahead of you.

Poster is from the land of the 'Aberdeen Double', namely three cards in every other suit and four cards in the one opened.

[Lurpoa]

Poster is from the land of the 'Aberdeen Double', namely three cards in every other suit and four cards in the one opened.

 

 

 

♥

Yes, but not my partner, not even on a 1♣ opener.... !!!

[VM1973]

I think 1♠ is pretty automatic. As for pass and pull to show strength... how much strength could you really have? Even assuming that the opener has 5-5 or 6-4 and only 10 HCPs and your partner has a 4-4-4-1 with 10HCP for sure the redoubler has 10+ HCPs. That means you can only have, best-case scenario 10 HCPs. Anyway you're a passed hand - how much could you have? Chances are excellent that you're outgunned on this auction. I have sympathy for those who would psyche 1♥ and that might be a winning action white against red, but vulnerable it's unthinkable. As for bidding 1♦ as a lead director... I'm not sure I want diamonds led.

[jules101]

[hv=pc=n&s=saqj42hkt9732d96c&w=skt85hqj8da832cj2&n=s9763h6dq754ck764&e=sha54dkjtcaqt9853&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=p1cdr1s3c4sdppp]399|300[/hv]

 

Here are the full hands and auction for completeness.

 

Not sure what was wrong with Michaels with South hand given difference in suit quality, but hey I'm the beginner and pard is the expert!

 

Thanks for your thoughts on advice on action after the XX.

[mtvesuvius]

Double on the South hand is awful. Bidding Michaels is completely clear cut, and I agree with 1♠... Pass here says that you have no strong preference, and would like him to pick his best suit -- This is is the best way to avoid needless -300s and -500 on the 1 and 2 level. The actual layout is a quite unlucky, and in fact, on a good day you might make 4♠, but that doesn't change the fact that Double with the South hand is horrible.

 

Finally, on BBO, expert really means nothing :)

[hrothgar]

Wow...

 

this might be the first hand where I

 

1. Disagree with The Hog and

2. Agree with Nigel

 

Redouble traditionally announces a hand that holds values denies a fit for partner.

The redouble often leads to low level penalty double being in place.

 

Following the redouble and holding a crappy hand, I am suddenly very concerned with finding a safe harbour.

Bidding 1♦ provides us with the best opportunity to scramble and identify a fit.

(Absent the XX, I'd bid spades before Diamonds)

 

FWIW, I consider both X and 4♠ ludicrous...

[nigel_k]

My answer was based on the hand being a little more like this one:[hv=pc=n&s=saq8hqt74dkj62c83&w=skjt2haj93d98cj95&n=s9763h6dq754ck764&e=s54hk852dat3caqt2]399|300[/hv]

If North bids 1♠ they play there doubled for 1100 or 1400. If North bids 1♦ it is equally bad when partner has a spade suit and weak diamonds. To me this is just a very standard scrambling situation and North should pass, suggesting two places to play. South bids 1♦ and N/S reach their safest spot. If South doesn't have diamonds they bid 1♥ and North can convert to 1♠. Missing a 4-4 spade fit is not a problem because this will only happen when you have a 4-4 diamond fit as well and they aren't going to let you play there anyway.

[mr1303]

The reason I bid 1♠ is because I'm not ashamed of my hand here. I want partner to compete if he holds 4 spades and a non-minimum, and bidding spades makes it harder for them to find a heart fit. The chances of going for a number in 1S X are very small IMO.