frank0 Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 [hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2dd]133|100[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d2s]133|100[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d2n]133|100[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d3d]133|100[/hv]Any idea(useful partnership agreement) about the difference between all these auctions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 [hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2dd]133|100[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d2s]133|100[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d2n]133|100[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d3d]133|100[/hv]Any idea(useful partnership agreement) about the difference between all these auctions? After the X, any bid shows extra's...The other interventions are clearly conventional,and you should agree with your partner on the continuations. I would keep the X to show the willingness to double any further bid. Pass is anyway forcing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 I would keep the X to show the willingness to double any further bid. Pass is anyway forcing. I think you misunderstood the question. By the way, it's not very helpful that you mention in every other post that you should agree all sorts of things with your partner. We know that. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 I think you misunderstood the question. By the way, it's not very helpful that you mention in every other post that you should agree all sorts of things with your partner. We know that. Oh, yes. Indeed, misread the question. Sorry. Indeed, very good question, which need to be resolved by a partnership which needs to to last..... And indeed, because of the risk involved for this intervention after the 2/1 game-force. it is very usefull to gave good agreements with your partner. And indeed all those sequences could indicate different distributions: 5-5s, 6-5s,.... Cannot give a lot of advice, besides the fact, to make sure that your partner understands the same thing. I have no knowledge of partnerships who have resoved the question, but I will do some research, and report here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 [hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2dd]133|100[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d2s]133|100[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d2n]133|100[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d3d]133|100[/hv]Any idea(useful partnership agreement) about the difference between all these auctions? ... mind that those sequences do not necessary indicate 2suited hands.2♠ and or 3♦ could be used to show (very good) uni-colored hands as is suggested in Pavlicek's system. That is why it is so important to agree with partner.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Some people will bid 2♦ on only 3 cards. 3♦ should be a natural bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Any idea(useful partnership agreement) about the difference between all these auctions? You can distinguish them all in any way you want, e.g. X/2S/2NT/3D = 55/56/65/66. But you don't need to do that. All those auctions are VERY RISKY so you really only butt-in with decent two-suiters, the kind partner only chooses the lesser evil. So Dbl for a mildly defensive hand and 2NT for a more offensive one will be perfectly enough. No need to make heavy weather out of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 My standard agreement is that X is takeout for the other 2 suits with no preference, cue bid of 1st suit = 2 suited but preference for lower ranking, cue bid of second suit, or 2NT if cheaper, = 2 suited with preference for higher ranking.(latter 2 probably 65)So the 3♦ bid has no useful meaning for me. I would assume partner has a no preference takeout and 66, but with that I would just X anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 1. 4♥ + 4/5♣2. 6♥ + 4♣3. 5♥ + 5/6♣4. 4♥ +6♣ Always the same principle in any sandwich position. If too risky or futile then don't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 [hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2dd]133|100|IMO, Strong hand 4-4 or 5-4 (or 5-5 without concentrated values) in the unbid suits.[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d2n]133|100|IMO, Shapley hand, at least 5-5 in the unbid suits.[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d2s]133|100|IMO, Skew shapely hand: at least 6 ♣ and 4+ ♥ [/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d3d]133|100|IMO, Skew shapely hand: at least 6 ♥ and 4+ ♣Some play the last two as natural but pass seems better with length in their suits.Whrn opponents are more limited than in this exampe, it may be better to cue the opponents suit, in which you hold a stop for notrump[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 [hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2dd]133|100|IMO, Strong hand 4-4 or 5-4 (or 5-5 without concentrated values) in the unbid suits.[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d2n]133|100|IMO, Shapley hand, at least 5-5 in the unbid suits.[/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d2s]133|100|IMO, Skew shapely hand: at least 6 ♣ and 4+ ♥ [/hv][hv=d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2d3d]133|100|IMO, Skew shapely hand: at least 6 ♥ and 4+ ♣Some play the last two as natural but pass seems better with length in their suits.Whrn opponents are more limited than in this exampe, it may be better to cue the opponents suit, in which you hold a stop for notrump[/hv]I find these suggestions revolting. With a balanced hand you should just keep quiet. Doubling on 4-4 or forcing to the 3-level with just 5-5 or 6-4 on this auction (opponents are in a game force, but haven't found a fit) is very very very very crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I find these suggestions revolting. With a balanced hand you should just keep quiet. Doubling on 4-4 or forcing to the 3-level with just 5-5 or 6-4 on this auction (opponents are in a game force, but haven't found a fit) is very very very very cray. Would Cherdano pass with all the following hands? Crazy or not, IMO you should:Double with ♠ xxx ♥ AKJx ♦ xx ♣ AKQx (Most of us have held stronger hands than this in such contexts)Overcalll 2N with ♠ xxx ♥ KQJTx ♦ - ♣ KQJTxOvercall 2♠ with ♠ xxx ♥AKTx ♥ - ♣ KQJTxxOvercall 3♦ with ♠ xxx [HE}KQJTxx ♦ - ♣ AKJx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustinst22 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 After an auction like 1♣ (P) 1♥ I play it as: X = opening strength1N = light takeout2N = Lots of distribution takeout2♣/♥ Natural With the 2-level overcall obv its different 1♠ (P) 2♦ X = Good hand2N = Shapely hand, not as strong as above in terms of HCPThe cue bids are clearly diff here since both opps are showing 5-card suits instead of possibly only 4 above.I'd take 2♠ as longer hearts and clubs (i.e. 6-4?)3♦ as 6-4 clubs/hearts or better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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