kayin801 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sqj963hj4dqt983c7&n=sak5hkq9da752c642&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=4c]266|200[/hv] IMPs, E/W are silent otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 X by North doesn't look crazy. 4♠ by South doesn't either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Certainly there are two possible actions by North - Double and Pass. I don't think either one would be crazy. With this shape I don't think the hand is good enough for a double, but others may have a different opinion. Over a double, South's action is clear cut - 4♠. I don't know why anyone would bid anything else. Over a pass, South MIGHT balance, but that action is hardly clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I could understand a double by North, and South should definitely bid 4♠ in this case. I think balancing with the South hand is taking quite a position. I wouldn't even think of it at this vulnerability. And even at favorable it's a stretch, since the opponents haven't bid a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I would DBL with N hand. Yes i dont have short ♣ but i have at least 3 cards in all unbid suits and 16 hcp. Preempter has 7 or 8♣, when combined with mine 10 or 11 ♣, pd is likely to be short in that suit and i have good support for whichever is his long suit and hope for the best. On the other hand i would defienetely not balance with South hand if N passes, no way. This kinda weak balance, over a 4 level preempt, gives WAY too wide range for the guy who bid at 4th seat and i dont think it can be handled effectively in the long run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I vote that Ken Rexford is crazy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I would have passed the North hand, intending to pass again to pard's take out dbl, so probably a missed game for me here. The point is if pard is going to bid a 4 card major suit over my dbl, this is certainly going to be an uphill battle on the obvious club force. Even with a 5-3 fit it's not certain 4M makes (here it definitely isn't going to be a piece of cake if trumps are 4-1). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 When I wrote my post I meant that X by North seemed fine and after that 4♠ by South. If North decides to Pass South cannot bid unless his/her partner took a long time before passing. And that was sarcastic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 The point is if pard is going to bid a 4 card major suit over my dbl, this is certainly going to be an uphill battle on the obvious club force. Even with a 5-3 fit it's not certain 4M makes (here it definitely isn't going to be a piece of cake if trumps are 4-1). The good news is, only 13 ♣ in the deck and the guy with long trumps won't be the ones with long trumps. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I vote that Ken Rexford is crazy.He's just " sanely-challenged " ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I vote that Ken Rexford is crazy. +1 I can't wait to see his response to Fred's comment that Qxxx Kx AKQx xxx shouldn't bid 2♣ over 1♥ on Hand 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 4C X p 4S is completely normal. You cannot pass with the north hand lol, you have a prime 16 with no honors in clubs. It is putting way too much pressure on partner to act with short clubs and a yarborough, he won't. This hand, partner had 2 queens and two jacks, and game is extremely good. Sometimes he has even more than that! Partner having a stiff club is not a huge surprise when we have 3 small and they open 4C... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 To be clear, 4♠ after X by N is the obvious part to me, I was more wondering how crazy 4♠ is after a pass by N. (In addition to whether N should X) *Waits for someone to look up myhands to see if I did it or not* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I Double with the North hand any VuL any Scoring. South can bid 4♠ don't see a problem.If for some reason North passes then South should pass hesitation or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate22 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 No one yet has anylysed the 4 cl bid-off course pard must take action,with a x-------- after you bid 4 sp-now another problem arises.the 4cl bids 5 clubs----------- For north to pass 4cl is unheard off also opp has not opened 3n/t so unlikly to have ace hts-and his clubs could be AQJ+and hold K diamonds--so south could back in again with 5 diamonds.that will sort it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 If North doesn't Dbl he's a wuss (but not crazy). If South responds anything else than 4♠ he's crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurpoa Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 If North doesn't Dbl he's a wuss (but not crazy). If South responds anything else than 4♠ he's crazy. ♥100% in line with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Hi, I think at the table I would have passed with the North hand, but the argument,that we know, where 10 clubs are, and that p holds on avergage at most 2, makesdouble very attractive - since he wont have the power to get in. We know, that our side owns the deck, p does not know this. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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