nigel_k Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 My view on this hand is that, after partner shows serious slam interest, we are certainly bidding slam and want to investigate grand. I suppose it's possible we could be off two key cards though it's not easy to come up with an example. Most times when slam is bad it will be due to weak internal trumps and 4NT doesn't help with that. As for finding grand, I'm not sure what the 4NT bidders intend to do if we have all the key cards. There are still ways to involve partner (who is unlimited) but it would be good if people would post what their plan is and what hands they are catering to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 My view on this hand is that, after partner shows serious slam interest, we are certainly bidding slam and want to investigate grand. I suppose it's possible we could be off two key cards though it's not easy to come up with an example. Most times when slam is bad it will be due to weak internal trumps and 4NT doesn't help with that. As for finding grand, I'm not sure what the 4NT bidders intend to do if we have all the key cards. There are still ways to involve partner (who is unlimited) but it would be good if people would post what their plan is and what hands they are catering to.Unless you have an asking bid for the Jack of Diamonds available, if you partner shows all the keycards you have to bid 7. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I think a really big divisive issue on this hand was, what constitutes a serious cuebid? Every partnership can determine that for themselves, but it's definitely something that needs to be discussed when you agree to play serious/nonserious. This sounds obvious but I have been involved in disasters when me and my partner didn't agree on this. For me, an average 4513 14 count on this auction is a minimum serious cuebid, say AJxx AQxxx x Kxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 The hand I had at the table was less interesting (I had a weaker hand with 4 small spades and better clubs), so I started tinkering and tinkering. I didn't realize that the 2C bid had become even more dubious than it was at the table! Still many interesting comments by the panel so I don't mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 In BridgeBase Advanced, if 4♥ is a cue-bid, it shows the AQ: "A bid of the trump suit below game shows 2 of the top 3 honours if you were the first member of the pair to bid the suit." Personally I don't think this is relevant, because we've already diverged from BBA by playing non-serious 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 In BridgeBase Advanced, if 4♥ is a cue-bid, it shows the AQ: "A bid of the trump suit below game shows 2 of the top 3 honours if you were the first member of the pair to bid the suit." Personally I don't think this is relevant, because we've already diverged from BBA by playing non-serious 3NT. er...when did hearts become the trump suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I think Ben is correct in that the intention of that sentence is that 3S would show 2 of the top 3 honors if we were already cuebidding (which we were not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 er...when did hearts become the trump suit? Sorry, I quoted the wrong bit. Try this: "When a side suit has been bid naturally, a bid of that suit by the bidder shows 2 of the top 3 honours in that suit." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I remember that from Fred's writing but didn't realize that it was in BBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I think a really big divisive issue on this hand was, what constitutes a serious cuebid? Every partnership can determine that for themselves, but it's definitely something that needs to be discussed when you agree to play serious/nonserious. This sounds obvious but I have been involved in disasters when me and my partner didn't agree on this. For me, an average 4513 14 count on this auction is a minimum serious cuebid, say AJxx AQxxx x KxxA useful general definition (that I think I learned from Justin) is the following: think about the range of hands that are too good to just bid 4S (= terrible hand for slam, rarely ever bid) but not good enough to drive to the 5-level without partner cooperating. The upper half of that range makes a serious cue, the lower half bids non-serious 3NT.That probably matches Roger's minimum pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 4Nt WTP was my answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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