Flem72 Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 S: J9x KTxx x Qxxxx Vul v. not N E S W2C* 3D P** P3H 4D ? * = strong, 22+ or 8 1/2 tricks** = not a double negative hand Also: Anyone want to publish useful agreements for comp over Our 2/1 2C opener? It seems to me that, most of the time, letting O know whether R is bust or holds some values is good enough, waiting for O to reopen with a descriptive call. OTOH....? Regards and Happy Trails, Scott NeedhamBoulder, Colorado, USA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I'm generally uncomfortable letting the weak hand take control, but RKC looks obvious. My alternative is to pass and bid 4♥ over the x (and 4N over 4♥), but surely I'm too good for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I, too, will await answers to these questions. You now officially have a + in your profile for the form and substance of the question :rolleyes:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I'd just bid 5D, I don't think I can drive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 You guys play opener for the world... I'd just try a quiet 4♥, eventually taking the push to 5 if nedded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flameous Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 For us the 2♣ opener promises the world :rolleyes: I also like 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I don't like 5♦ because it looks too much like voidwood. I prefer Blacky, because I can value my ♣s if opener happens to have ♣AK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I don't like 5♦ because it looks too much like voidwood. I prefer Blacky, because I can value my ♣s if opener happens to have ♣AK. I dunno what it looks like but it ain't voidwood. Thats the only cue available. You guys play opener for the world... I'd just try a quiet 4♥, eventually taking the push to 5 if nedded. Pd opens 2♣, and RHO tells you he owns the ♦ suit. Your pd has the world plus moon, if not the whole galaxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 1) 2c shows 4 loser hand if long major2) pass=random game force3) 3h shows long h and 4 loser hand.4) 4h now...5) 5d close second choice pard does not promise the sun moon and galaxy in fact pard shows minimum hand at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MrAce Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 pard does not promise the sun moon and galaxy in fact pard shows minimum hand at this point Construct me a hand, where RHO bids the ♦ suit at 3 level and bids again at 4 level by himself (w/o support from his pd) and pd has a 2♣ opener. What 4♥ are u talking about ? You would bid 4♥ with this if your pd opened weak 2♥ or overcalled 1 ♥ for Christ's sake ! Yes your pd has minimum, in fact i will give him less than u suggested some 5 loser hands.. Are u happy with 4 ♥ ? AK AQJxx xxx AKx or here i give him some wasted ♦ hcps Axx AQxxx KJ AKJ or KQx AQJxxx AJx A. 4♥ huh ? Well at least u didn't DBL 4♦. Only thing that comes to my mind worse than 4♥ is to DBL 4♦ and suggest pd we defend this hand. Ohh i see, by saying minimum hand, you count beans, pd = 22 hcp we have 6 hcp, 28 hcp wont make slam so lets stop at 4 ? And by the way, just out of curiosity, at which point did you decide pd showed a minimum 2♣ opener ? Was it the 2 ♣ bid or 3♥ bid that indicated the minimum hand ? :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 Construct me a hand, where RHO bids the ♦ suit at 3 level and bids again at 4 level by himself (w/o support from his pd) and pd has a 2♣ opener. That's pretty difficult, because most decent RHO's would bid 4♦ immediately or pass in their second turn... :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 once E has shown not a double neg type hand you have a big arsenal of bidding tools available to you. Pass and pull is stronger than biddingdirectly so over the 4d bid i suggest 4h around 4 points generally balancedp pull p probable x to 4h around 7 balanced4n your favorite form of blackwood*p and pull probable x to 4n to play*5d dia control (almost assuredly short around 4 points) (promises H suupport)p pull probable x to 5d same as 5d bid but around points)(promises heart support)5h around 10 balanced with heart support6d dia void around 4 points (promises heart support)p pull probable x to 6d same as 6d but around 7 points you still have 4s 5c 5s 5n available for different agreements * these two reversed using pass/pull logic because there is aninference available that when p does not take control of thebidding it is because they cannot. Therefore the immediate useof 4n as blackwood leaves this inference intact. Using this method I would bid 5d over 4d but I downgradequeens and especially jacks for slam purposes so I wouldtreat this as aropund a 5 point hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I'd just bid 5D, I don't think I can drive it. Well what can you say? Zambonis are not for everybody :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 That's pretty difficult, because most decent RHO's would bid 4♦ immediately or pass in their second turn... :rolleyes: Well, I tried to employ the nice little boxed quotation thingie, but I guess I'll ahve to read up on the tools. Sigh. Anyhoo, the actual hands don't contribute much to the problem posed, (1) partner didn't have a 2C opener and (2) RHO indeed should've bounced immediately. Partner's hand was a 2N opener, and not a "cherce" (Spencer Tracey, _Pat & Mike_ I think :blink: ) one at that: AKx AJ98x KQ Axx. Even so, if partner had understood the 5D call, I would think 5H is auto. Regards and Happy Trails, Scott NeedhamBoulder, Colorado, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flem72 Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Well, I tried to employ the nice little boxed quotation thingie, Jeez! it worked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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