mrdct Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 [hv=pc=n&w=s2hkj62dkqj7652ck&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=p1sp2dp3sp]133|200|EW playing 5-card Majors. 2♦ is 10+ hcp natural. 2♠ would've been non-forcing. IMP-pairs. Weak field.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 6H, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 What is 3S? Would 2S have been forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdct Posted May 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 What is 3S? Would 2S have been forcing?2♠ is 100% non-forcing. 3♠ is something like 6♠ and 16-18hcp or so, but the East-West pair in question are a pair of little-old-ladies without much science to their system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Does it say anything about suit quality? Sorry I'm not trying to be dense, I genuinely do not know the system so it's hard to come up with an answer. I think I would bid 4D based on the info given, it seems likely that we belong in 6D, and I have to rebid my good 7 bagger. If partner just signs off in 4S I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdct Posted May 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Imagine the person sitting opposite is an irregular partner of low to moderate club duplicate standard who has never heard of the concept of 2/1 GF. One can assume that 3♠ is stronger than a non-forcing 2♠ and one can also eliminate some hand-types that would bid 3NT over 2♦ but beyond that you have little or no conventional agreements with partner and pretty much play seat-of-the-pants natural bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Imagine the person sitting opposite is an irregular partner of low to moderate club duplicate standard who has never heard of the concept of 2/1 GF. One can assume that 3♠ is stronger than a non-forcing 2♠ and one can also eliminate some hand-types that would bid 3NT over 2♦ but beyond that you have little or no conventional agreements with partner and pretty much play seat-of-the-pants natural bidding.In that case I guess I'll just bend over and bid 6♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 4♦. I'm glad to have an agreement where this is natural, 4♥ being the artificial bid that shows a slammish spade raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 4D - Should set trumps. I may be tempted to pass 4S, but ..., nevertheless I did not yet show mydiamond suit.The alternaative would be 4C - cue, showing a top honor in clubs, but thisis only a far distand second. If I sit oppossie a LOL - I am still bidding 4D, I will pass 4S. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 In that case I guess I'll just bend over and bid 6♦. you could check for controls. You can be pretty sure they have that down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 If I can be sure partner takes 4♦ as forcing I will bid that. Otherwise I bid 5♦, I don't see why partner is likely to have three aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 4D is F and I will pass 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 4♦ should be forcing but opposite this partner I will bid 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Given the sick parameters, 6♦ for me, also. Anything else is just delaying the decision until I hear something else that does not help me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jikl Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 4D - Should set trumps. I may be tempted to pass 4S, but ..., nevertheless I did not yet show mydiamond suit.The alternaative would be 4C - cue, showing a top honor in clubs, but thisis only a far distand second. If I sit oppossie a LOL - I am still bidding 4D, I will pass 4S. With kind regardsMarlowe You can't bid 4C, she'll take that as Gerber :P Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I agree with 4D but I like to think that I'm not at the same level as the partnership that held these hands. Therefore, my input is useless if you are trying to determine what the director should have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolvyrj Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I wonder why u give such parameters, LOL and weak field, does it really matter; or is this some kind of a jocular anectode?Anyway, prd seems to have quite many ♠ and more than minimum hand and after my 2 ♦, she wants to be in a game contract. My hand aint that hot anymore; its aceless and i have only singleton ♠. 4 ♦ and pass if prd bids 4 ♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 you could check for controls. You can be pretty sure they have that down.I know 4♦ is theoretically the best bid, but given the parameters I think that's no longer the case. If we bid 4♦, partner may take over and use Blacky ending up in 6♠. I know we want to play 6♦ most of the time, so if I want to avoid troubles at the cost of missing grand, I have to bid 6♦ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 I know 4♦ is theoretically the best bid, but given the parameters I think that's no longer the case. If we bid 4♦, partner may take over and use Blacky ending up in 6♠. I know we want to play 6♦ most of the time, so if I want to avoid troubles at the cost of missing grand, I have to bid 6♦ now.Well - you always have the option to bid 6D, if partner takes over with 4NT,so you can delay the jump to 6D for one round, which may allow you to make amore informed decision. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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