jillybean Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 [hv=pc=n&e=sk62hqj4dqjt2ca43]133|100[/hv]MP NV vs. V (1♥) X (P) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Looks like a pretty textbook 2NT here, with standard agreements. Heart stop, invitational to 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Looks like a pretty textbook 3NT here, with standard agreements. Heart stop, game-forcing values, not 4 spades, no 5-card minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 I agree with Tyler although if I had a 4th heart, I'd venture 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 I'd start with 2♥, this might fetch 2♠ from partner and then I'd bid 2NT. A direct 2NT is 11-12 for me and although I have 13 my hand is kinda ugly and I don't want to punish partner for doublin g with a shapy hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Looks like a pretty textbook 2NT here, with standard agreements. Heart stop, invitational to 3N.ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sj954hak97652d73c&w=saqt3ht8dak5cqt85&n=s87h3d9864ckj9762&e=sk62hqj4dqjt2ca43&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1hdp3hp4cdppp]399|300[/hv] Not much fun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 3♥ was too much, why didn't you bid 2♥? All the approaches (2♥, 2NT or 3NT) mentioned would have worked in this hand. Why 3♥?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Perfect time for west to ask East, "Where is your hand from the auction?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 3♥ was too much, why didn't you bid 2♥? All the approaches (2♥, 2NT or 3NT) mentioned would have worked in this hand. Why 3♥?!(I'm west) 3♥ was asking for a ♥ stopper for nt. I had assumed it was gf but perhaps you can stop in 4m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 asking for a stopper when East has a stopper himself does not seem right. It assures that your side will pass up 3NT when it is right and the person unlikely to have a stopper doesn't have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 asking for a stopper when East has a stopper himself does not seem right. It assures that your side will pass up 3NT when it is right and the person unlikely to have a stopper doesn't have one.my thoughts exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 As west, what's the reason behind bidding 4C? It seems to me that your spades are better, and more importantly, 3S is cheaper so you can still get to (for example) 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Maybe West thought 3S at that point would show more spades and, therefore more strength because of her original double rather than an overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 One should make a general rule that the cheapest bid should not be used for highly unlikely hand types. And that partners shouldn't jump cue to ask for a stopper when a cheaper cue is available to set a general gameforce. Thank me later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Looks like a pretty textbook 3NT here, with standard agreements. Heart stop, game-forcing values, not 4 spades, no 5-card minor. The problem with just bashing 3N is that we likely only have hearts stopped once, and opposite a random minimal takeout double, which by far is the hand partner is a favorite to have, I don't see us taking 9 tricks without losing the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 I would just bid 2N which shows about 12 (maybe a really good 11, maybe a crappyish 13). QJx of hearts is a really big turn off, and I'd like to give partner leeway w/r at MP to get in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 As west, what's the reason behind bidding 4C? It seems to me that your spades are better, and more importantly, 3S is cheaper so you can still get to (for example) 3NT.I had already shown 4♠'s, I was not interested in playing in 3N with T8 in opps suit, partners 3♥'s is asking for a stopper. I think 3♠ should show a ♠ hand too strong to overcall 1♠. 4♣ is an attempt to find the best spot past 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I had already shown 4♠'s. Some day you may encounter a hand with which it is best to double even when you don't have 4 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Some day you may encounter a hand with which it is best to double even when you don't have 4 spades.right, I have already suggested 4♠ :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 :) :) I am dead serious about bidding 3S with your hand though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 :) :) I am dead serious about bidding 3S with your hand though. So with a ♠ hand too strong to overcall 1♠ I would double and bid 4♠/3♥? Now 3♠ here is only 4 spades, looking for the best part score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I must admit that I had never seen the auction 1H - Dbl - p - 3H before, and maybe I will never see it again. As I posted before, jumping to 3H as a stopper ask should be forbidden when 2H is also available for a general force. Over 1H - Dbl - p - 2H - p you can jump to 3S with the strong hand with spades. After 3H it is ugly (which is why one shouldn't jump to 3H unless it has a precise meaning), I'd probably still bid 3S to see what partner is up to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 I must admit that I had never seen the auction 1H - Dbl - p - 3H before, and maybe I will never see it again. I hope I don't see it either, I would happily bid 2♠/2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 3NT. Since this is MP - 2NT is ok, but I would still bid 3NT,although 2NT is certainly the better MP bid. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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