whereagles Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) Swiss teams, expert pard and adv opps. [hv=pc=n&s=sA65hj643dt8ckt85&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1hdp1n3dd3h]133|200[/hv] 1st dbl is a standard take out dbl. Your general agreements on doubles that apply here are "dbl is for take out until a fit is reached". Allright, questions:1. What do you think parter has? 2. What do you bid? EDIT: fixed hand. Edited May 26, 2011 by whereagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 I don't know for sure what he has, but luckily I already overbid my hand by a queen, so I can pass and hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 2♣ before. Now I pass, partner might have diamonds, if he doubles 3♥ I don't know what I'll do (4♣?). He might bid 3NT next, though. I don't know what's worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Sorry, I had a card wrong. Your spades are stronger: Axx, not Qxx. Without it 1NT would have been an overbid, of course. Hand fixed, so have another go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 I continue passing. I still think partner has diamonds but my hearts don't look good enough for doubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Lets see, partner made a t/o dble so my guess is he has it. When 3D is doubled for me that is penalty and extra values. I am not overly fond of the 1NT bid and prefer 2C. I do not think they will make 3H but I am not going to hit it, lets take it in 50's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 what the hell now I have to think! but I'm still not sure what partner has. he has many points of course but not sure what shape. I think I still pass because I'm not sure what to do and my partner knows how much I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryallen Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 I believe partner is 4-0-3-6 or 4-0-4-5 and his only problem being is how many points do I have in ♥. Let's tell partner I have little value in ♥, but do have goodies elsewhere. To me a bid of 4♣ would get that across, leaving partner in control to place the final contract in case there has been a misunderstanding. I expect partner to have something like, [hv=pc=n&n=skqjthdaq9caqj932]133|100[/hv] On reflection I would add in the hands 4-0-4-5 and 4-1-3-5, a hand where bypassing 3NT with partner having a good stop and a half+ in ♥ could well bypass the only game if partner held something like [hv=pc=n&n=skqjth8dKq9caqj93]133|100[/hv] Either way, I can not see bidding 4♣ as doing a great deal of damage and possibly making things a whole lot simpler, whether or not the opposition enter the bidding again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 I don't see why we should expect partner to have a heart void. He could have one, but he could also be 4144, 4135, 3145, etc. It's even possible that he has two hearts. BarryAllen's example looks to me like a hand that would bid 3♥ over 3♦. Even so, I don't think we should defend with this hand - we have the least defensive heart holding we could possibly have, and excellent black-suit cards. 4♣ looks reasonable, but maybe 3♠ shows this sort of hand, giving partner one last chance to bid 3NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 I have already showed my hand fairly well, so I see no reason to take a free bid here. I don't mind defending as I expect a dead dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 I expect partner to be 4135 15+ and the bidder to probably have 11 red cards, this may not defend well at all. KQJx, x, Axx, AQxxx would not be silly, 3♦x could be making an overtrick but is more likely just = depending on how I defend while 5♣ is icy if W is 1651. With no wasted red suit values I'd be bidding clubs, not sure if 4 or 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 I do not understand the pass. Why are we bidding so shy ? I am not saying i love this agreement but OP said pd is making a T/O DBL. And now we found a hand that fits perfectly to our agreement and we are about to ruin it by being shy. LHO has a wild red colors hand and i have 1 hcp combined in his suits while i have Axx and Kxxx in pd's suits. Partner can not know if our hands match well or not due to our initial 1 NT response, but we know. I am bidding 4♥ if that means choice of games if not i bid at least 3♠. As long as we bid something here we will be fine, pd will get the msg that i am not interested in defending. Pd may have 5♠+4♣ or 4♠+5-6 ♣ which was too good to start with overcall. Cmon now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sA65hj643dt8ckt85&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1hdp1n3dd3h]133|200| Swiss teams, expert pard and adv opps.1st dbl is a standard take out dbl. Your general agreements on doubles that apply here are "dbl is for take out until a fit is reached".Allright, questions:1. What do you think parter has? 2. What do you bid? IMOPartner has at least ♠ KQxx ♥ x ♦ KQxx ♣ AQJx4♣ = 10, 5♣ = 9, 3♠ = 8. 4♥ = 7, _X = 6, _P = 5[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Mark one more for 5♣ --not buying the possibility that pard has more than 4 spades, but influenced by the fact that MY pard would not have 5+spades; maybe this pard does, which would make a COG bid better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 I do not understand the pass. Why are we bidding so shy ? You don't think pass is forcing? Partner can have a lot of different patterns - including those with a doubleton (or for that matter, a void) heart! Why are we bidding in front of partner? We could be crushing 3♥, or we could make slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 IMO There is 2 style for the double of 3D 1-show at least some desire to play 3Hx (my pov) In wich case its pointless to double 3D with a H void its also pointless to X just based on diamonds. Or you can play it as a safe take out X of 3H (with a strong take out and most GF hands he can bid 3H). I prefer option 1 so with 4 trumps and no desire for 3Nt I X, its possible we can make 5C but its possible it goes AD D ruff too. Partner will lead a trump 100% of the time. A lot of hands where 5C is best partner will bid 3H and not wasted his time by a pointless doublle of 3D. The good point about 5C is that lho will probably not resist leading a S if 1651/1552 shape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Partner can have a lot of different patterns - including those with a doubleton (or for that matter, a void) heart! Why are we bidding in front of partner? IMO, we are bidding because he wants input, despite our previous attempt at description (the 1NT advance to the double). Within the framework of that call, we have an ace and a king in pard's suits; he seems to want our input, and to pass would not show that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Partner asks if my hearts are good enough to defend.They are not, Pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 4♣ looks reasonable I don't know what was going though my mind when I said that. 5♣ looks reasonable, but I still like 3♠ (which I think is clearly forcing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 Hi, #1 no idea / dont care#2 X, penalty With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 5♣ looks reasonable, but I still like 3♠ (which I think is clearly forcing).And what is 3♠ supposed to accomplish? Is it an invitation to 5♣ or an advanced cuebid to suggest 6♣? It is the type of "clearly forcing" wonderland bid I dislike, because it gives me headaches at the table. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 And what is 3♠ supposed to accomplish? Is it an invitation to 5♣ or an advanced cuebid to suggest 6♣? It is the type of "clearly forcing" wonderland bid I dislike, because it gives me headaches at the table. Rainer Herrmann As I said in my first post, the idea is to give partner one last chance to bid 3NT. It's all very well picturing some perfect 4135 shape, but he may also have been dealt KQJx Q Axxx AQxx, where 3NT is against the wall but 5♣ is probably off. Edit: Actually, "probably off" is an overstatement - we may be able to draw one trump, cash four spades, and then crossruff. Stiil, I'd rather be in 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 As I said in my first post, the idea is to give partner one last chance to bid 3NT. It's all very well picturing some perfect 4135 shape, but he may also have been dealt KQJx Q Axxx AQxx, where 3NT is against the wall but 5♣ is probably off. I also think pd can still have 5♠. How was he supposed to bid with KQJxx x AJx AQJx. As i said if 4♥ is COG i wld not bid 3♠. You don't think pass is forcing? No i dont think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 I also think pd can still have 5♠. How was he supposed to bid with KQJxx x AJx AQJx. By overcalling 1♠ and then doubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 ... maybe 3♠ shows this sort of hand, giving partner one last chance to bid 3NT? Cunning. I'm now persuaded that this is the best bid. You don't think pass is forcing? Partner can have a lot of different patterns - including those with a doubleton (or for that matter, a void) heart! Why are we bidding in front of partner? We could be crushing 3♥, or we could make slam. IMO, this pass is forcing only if we have that specific agreement. Forcing or not, pass still has some merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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